Hello Sebastian,

can you please update
OPENMEETINGS-936<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-936>
with
as detailed repo steps as possible
I'll try to modify the screen sharing applet to address your issue, but
detailed steps might help


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>wrote:

> I have just checked the file you have created:
>
> [flashsv @ 0x28fcd60] Frame width or height differs from first frame!
> [flashsv @ 0x28fcd60] fh = 810, fv 1440  vs  ch = 1080, cv = 1920
> Error while decoding stream #0:0: Invalid data found when processing input
>
> According to the file header:
> Stream #0:0: Video: flashsv ([3][0][0][0] / 0x0003), bgr24, 1440x800,
> q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 1k tbn, 10 tbc
>
> so the header says:
> Frame height: 800
> The frame itself says:
> Frame height: 810
>
> No sure how this possible.
>
> According to flvrecording database table:
>
> mysql> select height, width, flv_height, flv_width from flvrecording where
> id = 226;
> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+
> | height | width | flv_height | flv_width |
> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+
> |    810 |  1440 |        800 |      1440 |
> +--------+-------+------------+-----------+
>
> why do we have both height and flv_height what is the difference?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> I'll ask Vasiliy to share his recording and/or create another one.
>> Will try to check your recording in the morning
>> seems like it have no videodata (or broken videodata) :(
>> Not sure what can be done here, but i'll check
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:03 AM, [email protected] <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Does it take for you also that long when you hit the stop button until
>>> the
>>> recording UI does really stop and switch the button state ?
>>>
>>> Can we have a look at the 1 hour recording, can you put that in the
>>> public
>>> folder too ?
>>>
>>> I created another video on demo.dataved.ru using a Windows machine. I
>>> put
>>> it into the public folder.
>>> This time the recording has not visual, only audio. I also cannot see any
>>> kind of error. The AVI file when I download it has less then 1 MB.
>>> Would you mind checking what was wrong with it? It is flvRecordingId 226.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-06 1:05 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>> > I haven't monitored Red5 CPU usage
>>> > But the system is very responsive (Maybe because it is core i7 8 cores,
>>> > 8Gb)
>>> > I see no performance degradation.
>>> >
>>> > The stream is still being written to the disc asynchronously (this
>>> code was
>>> > slightly optimized)
>>> > I have put the recording made just now on my machine to the same public
>>> > group, you can check it.
>>> >
>>> > Vasiliy was able to create recording with duration ~1 hour (while
>>> > performing test plan for this RC)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:52 PM, [email protected] <
>>> > [email protected]
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi Maxim,
>>> > >
>>> > > The other topics to be covered in another conversation, I think this
>>> > issue
>>> > > is worth a separated thread.
>>> > >
>>> > > "Could you please move your recording into Public (Openmeetings)
>>> group
>>> > so I
>>> > > can take a look at it?"
>>> > > => I did just that now.
>>> > >
>>> > > "All test recordings I have made were made locally, should will try
>>> to do
>>> > > it on demo."
>>> > > => I did try locally too, but the recordings are not really working.
>>> The
>>> > > recorded file freezes after 10-20 sec. Sound sometimes continues
>>> > sometimes
>>> > > sound stops too.
>>> > >
>>> > > If I start a recording I can see two processes jump in the CPU usage:
>>> > > 1) Screensharing application to 40-50%
>>> > > 2) The red5 server process jumps to 100%CPU (or what is leftover
>>> after
>>> > the
>>> > > screen-sharing webapp takes 40%)
>>> > >
>>> > > So did you monitor the red5 server process CPU while doing a
>>> > screen-sharing
>>> > > recording?
>>> > > I think the high server side CPU usage might be also the reason why
>>> when
>>> > > you click on the stop recording button for ages just nothing happens.
>>> > >
>>> > > We had a similar problem in the past where the red5 cpu started to
>>> use
>>> > 100%
>>> > > of the CPU while recording. The issue at that time was that the
>>> packets
>>> > > could not be written fast enough to disk. So I implemented the asynch
>>> > > stream writer with the BlockingQueue that caches the packets and
>>> starts a
>>> > > separated Thread to write the packets to disk in a reasonable
>>> interval.
>>> > > That is also why there is this wait period/check in the recordings
>>> > > processing that needs to wait until all data really is written to
>>> disk
>>> > > [see: BaseConverter#waitForTheStream()].
>>> > > At that point in time that seemed to solve the problem.
>>> > >
>>> > > However the source of the issue might be also a purely red5 related
>>> > issue.
>>> > > Nevertheless I think we need to solve/verify it.
>>> > >
>>> > > At some point the screen-sharing webapp became just completely
>>> > > unresponsive. And only by killing the process of the screen-sharing
>>> app
>>> > the
>>> > > red5 server side process did also reduce CPU usage to a reasonable
>>> level.
>>> > >
>>> > > Do you experience a similar problem with the red5 server process
>>> while
>>> > > doing a recording ?
>>> > > I do not completely deny that it might be also a hardware problem,
>>> for
>>> > > instance if the disk is too slow. But I am using a SSD flash disk :)
>>> So
>>> > > that should be fast enough :) However in the future we might need to
>>> > > revisit the write speed for the stream writer that writes the queue
>>> to
>>> > > disk.
>>> > >
>>> > > The problem with this high Red5 Cpu usage in the past was also that
>>> it
>>> > will
>>> > > slow down pretty much anything, for instance all other streams even
>>> in
>>> > > other conference rooms will become slow-motion, funny sound effects
>>> et
>>> > > cetera.
>>> > >
>>> > > Sebastian
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 2014-03-04 23:47 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <[email protected]>:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hello Sebastian,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks for detailed testing
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Could you please move your recording into Public (Openmeetings)
>>> group
>>> > so
>>> > > I
>>> > > > can take a look at it?
>>> > > > All test recordings I have made were made locally, should will try
>>> to
>>> > do
>>> > > it
>>> > > > on demo.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > now will try to answer in bullet list:
>>> > > > 1) "Can we make it that somehow that it will be displayed
>>> directly" I
>>> > can
>>> > > > propose to choose an icon from FamFam set (for ex. time.png,
>>> > > hourglass.png,
>>> > > > clock.png, clock_pause.png) will appreciate any help on this since
>>> I
>>> > > > personally not really like all the icons I have mentioned.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 2) "Previously you did get the pop warning 'not ready' directly on
>>> a
>>> > > click
>>> > > > on the recording when it is not yet ready for viewing." I don't
>>> really
>>> > > like
>>> > > > those pop ups since I find it annoying, I believe correct icon is
>>> > better
>>> > > > solution. (Maybe tooltip should be added)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 3) "but I cannot load the debug window on that server." currently
>>> debug
>>> > > is
>>> > > > only available if wicket is run in debug mode, this might need to
>>> be
>>> > > > corrected (or maybe not since room should be rewritten)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 4) Also you send me another issue report: contact request email has
>>> > > fields
>>> > > > mixed up (from and to user names are mixed)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 5) "What about the attribute 'length' of the recording" this fild
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > > > recording is not being filled. What should be written in it?
>>> recording
>>> > > > duration? recording file length?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 6) Appointments inside private messages were reported to was
>>> broken in
>>> > > > previous versions as well, so we need to file an issue and fix in
>>> in
>>> > > > 3.1.0/3.0.1
>>> > > >
>>> > > > What is your resume?
>>> > > > Should we release or wait for RC3? what of the above are blockers?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM, [email protected] <
>>> > > > [email protected]
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > "not ready status will be displayed after click on "!" icon in
>>> the
>>> > > > popup."
>>> > > > > I did not get a not ready status displayed. I see the icon on the
>>> > left,
>>> > > > but
>>> > > > > neither by clicking on the icon nor on the recording anything
>>> > happens.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Can we make it that somehow that it will be displayed directly
>>> when
>>> > you
>>> > > > > click on the recording?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Having links that you click and under some circumstances nothing
>>> > > happens
>>> > > > > are just very hard to understand for end-users. Previously you
>>> did
>>> > get
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > > pop warning 'not ready' directly on a click on the recording
>>> when it
>>> > is
>>> > > > not
>>> > > > > yet ready for viewing.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I tried to do three recordings on demo.dataved.ru, all failed.
>>> > > Possibly
>>> > > > > because I am using Mac and/or bandwidth issues.
>>> > > > > I was able to produce a recording at the 06th of February on that
>>> > > server
>>> > > > > with a Mac, so it is not a general issue.
>>> > > > > In the error log window I can see some ffmpeg command fails (see
>>> > > attached
>>> > > > > on the bottom of the mail some example)
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > But the screen sharer itself stayed at 50% of the CPU which is
>>> > > acceptable
>>> > > > > for the first release of 3.x.x from my point of view.
>>> > > > > Just to get some recordings produced with it would be something I
>>> > would
>>> > > > be
>>> > > > > keen to verify.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Another issues was that I cannot enter a room on
>>> > demo.dataved.ruafter a
>>> > > > > while. I just stuck in the screen when the loading bar in front
>>> of
>>> > > > entering
>>> > > > > the conference room is complete. I guess there is some null
>>> pointer
>>> > > > > exception in the code but I cannot load the debug window on that
>>> > > server.
>>> > > > > I was using the "remember me" cookie, after deleting the cookie
>>> and
>>> > > > > re-login entering the room did work again.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > What about the attribute "length" of the recording in the UI, the
>>> > field
>>> > > > > seems to be simply not filled with any value yet, even if the
>>> > recording
>>> > > > was
>>> > > > > successful. Is that not implemented yet?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Btw the autocomplete box in the private message center and
>>> calendar
>>> > is
>>> > > > > a-w-e-s-o-m-e
>>> > > > > I think we should leave it as is. Normally you can only send
>>> messages
>>> > > to
>>> > > > > your contacts, but I think like that it is even better. The old
>>> one
>>> > was
>>> > > > too
>>> > > > > restrictive to be intuitive.
>>> > > > > When attaching a meeting request with a date/time to a private
>>> > message
>>> > > > ...
>>> > > > > it did not show up in my calendar afterwards. Is that something
>>> that
>>> > > > needs
>>> > > > > to done still ?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > This is the FFMPEG error on all my recordings:
>>> > > > > process: previewFullFLV command: ffmpeg -i
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> /opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.flv
>>> > > > > -vcodec mjpeg -vframes 1 -an -f rawvideo -s 1072x672
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> /opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.jpg
>>> > > > > exception: null error: ffmpeg version git-2013-10-22-c68faca
>>> > Copyright
>>> > > > (c)
>>> > > > > 2000-2013 the FFmpeg developers built on Oct 22 2013 12:58:25
>>> with
>>> > gcc
>>> > > > 4.6
>>> > > > > (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) configuration:
>>> > > --prefix=/root/ffmpeg_build
>>> > > > > --extra-cflags=-I/root/ffmpeg_build/include
>>> > > > > --extra-ldflags=-L/root/ffmpeg_build/lib --bindir=/root/bin
>>> > > > > --extra-libs=-ldl --enable-gpl --enable-libass
>>> --enable-libfdk-aac
>>> > > > > --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopus --enable-libtheora
>>> > > > --enable-libvorbis
>>> > > > > --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-nonfree
>>> --enable-x11grab
>>> > > > > libavutil 52. 47.101 / 52. 47.101 libavcodec 55. 37.102 / 55.
>>> 37.102
>>> > > > > libavformat 55. 19.103 / 55. 19.103 libavdevice 55. 4.100 / 55.
>>> 4.100
>>> > > > > libavfilter 3. 89.100 / 3. 89.100 libswscale 2. 5.101 / 2. 5.101
>>> > > > > libswresample 0. 17.104 / 0. 17.104 libpostproc 52. 3.100 / 52.
>>> > 3.100
>>> > > > [flv
>>> > > > > @ 0x3693900] Could not find codec parameters for stream 0 (Video:
>>> > none,
>>> > > > 200
>>> > > > > kb/s): unspecified size Consider increasing the value for the
>>> > > > > 'analyzeduration' and 'probesize' options Input #0, flv, from
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> '/opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.flv':
>>> > > > > Metadata: noaudiocodec : 0 server : Red5 Server 1.0.0 RC3 Rev:
>>> 4393
>>> > > > > creationdate : Tue Mar 04 08:04:03 CET 2014 canSeekToEnd : true
>>> > > encoder :
>>> > > > > Lavf55.19.103 Duration: 00:01:28.87, start: 0.000000, bitrate:
>>> 593
>>> > kb/s
>>> > > > > Stream #0:0: Video: none, 200 kb/s, 1k tbr, 1k tbn, 1k tbc Stream
>>> > #0:1:
>>> > > > > Audio: mp3, 22050 Hz, mono, s16p, 32 kb/s Output #0, rawvideo, to
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> '/opt/openmeetings-3.0.0.r1573575/webapps/openmeetings/streams/hibernate/flvRecording_210.jpg':
>>> > > > > Metadata: noaudiocodec : 0 server : Red5 Server 1.0.0 RC3 Rev:
>>> 4393
>>> > > > > creationdate : Tue Mar 04 08:04:03 CET 2014 canSeekToEnd : true
>>> > > encoder :
>>> > > > > Lavf55.19.103 Output file #0 does not contain any stream
>>> exitValue:
>>> > > null
>>> > > > > out:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Sebastian
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > 2014-03-04 20:18 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> [email protected]>:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Currently "not ready" recordings are marked as "broken" (same
>>> "!"
>>> > > icon)
>>> > > > > > not ready status will be displayed after click on "!" icon in
>>> the
>>> > > > popup.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > interview recordings are now converted as fast as ordinary
>>> > > recordings.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Icon can be changed, please suggest one :) (Do you feel it is
>>> > > blocker?
>>> > > > or
>>> > > > > > maybe we can release 3.0.1 will all such minor fixes?)
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > http://demo.dataved.ru:5080/ contains the same SNAPSHOT
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:12 PM, [email protected] <
>>> > > > > > [email protected]
>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > I think there is still a slight glitch with the recordings
>>> UI.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Previously, when a recording was not yet ready for viewing
>>> > (because
>>> > > > it
>>> > > > > is
>>> > > > > > > still processing) there was a message in the UI telling you
>>> that.
>>> > > In
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > case of interviews there was even a progress includes in
>>> > > percentages
>>> > > > as
>>> > > > > > > interviews take 1 minutes of processing time for the
>>> rendering of
>>> > > a 1
>>> > > > > > > minute of video.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > If you at the moment are too fast in switching to the UI and
>>> > there
>>> > > > was
>>> > > > > > some
>>> > > > > > > kind of error or its kind of simply not ready for viewing you
>>> > click
>>> > > > on
>>> > > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > video and just nothing happens.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > What is the current mechanism? Do we catch in the recordings
>>> UI
>>> > if
>>> > > > the
>>> > > > > > > video is ready for viewing or not?
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Thanks,
>>> > > > > > > Sebastian
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > 2014-03-04 19:54 GMT+13:00 [email protected] <
>>> > > > > [email protected]
>>> > > > > > >:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Well if its just me I do not want to complain.
>>> > > > > > > > I am using a Mac, probably that is part of the problem.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Let me try to run a couple of tests.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Btw: Is http://demo.dataved.ru:5080/ the same SNAPSHOT
>>> that is
>>> > > up
>>> > > > > for
>>> > > > > > a
>>> > > > > > > > vote?
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Thanks!
>>> > > > > > > > Sebastian
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > 2014-03-04 17:14 GMT+13:00 Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> > > [email protected]
>>> > > > >:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Hello Sebastian,
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> I was unable to fix high CPU usage because I can't see it
>>> :(
>>> > > > > > > >> We have tried to reproduce it on our machines (me and
>>> Vasiliy,
>>> > > > > Vasiliy
>>> > > > > > > >> provides you with his measurements), but it is not
>>> > reproducible.
>>> > > > > > > >> No additional comments were provided, so this issue have
>>> been
>>> > > > > > postponed
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM, [email protected] <
>>> > > > > > > >> [email protected]> wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> > Hi Maxim,
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > Thanks, I think one of the major obstacles has been the
>>> CPU
>>> > > > usage
>>> > > > > of
>>> > > > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > >> > screen sharing application.
>>> > > > > > > >> > Did we reduce the CPU usage significantly?
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > Thanks,
>>> > > > > > > >> > Sebastian
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > 2014-03-04 5:41 GMT+13:00 Alvaro <[email protected]>:
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > +1
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > -------------------
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > El lun, 03-03-2014 a las 23:09 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik
>>> > > > escribió:
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear OpenMeetings Community,
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > I would like to start a vote about releasing Apache
>>> > > > > OpenMeetings
>>> > > > > > > >> 3.0.0
>>> > > > > > > >> > > RC2
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Main changes are covered in the
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Readme:
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/README
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Full Changelog:
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > >
>>> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/CHANGELOG
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Release artefacts:
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/3.0.0/rc2/
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Tag:
>>> > > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openmeetings/tags/3.0.0RC2/
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > PGP release keys (signed using
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > C467526E):
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openmeetings/3.0.0/rc2/KEYS
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > [ ] +1  approve
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > [ ] +0  no opinion
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > > My vote is +1.
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> > >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >> > --
>>> > > > > > > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > > > > > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > > > > > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > > > > > >> > [email protected]
>>> > > > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >> --
>>> > > > > > > >> WBR
>>> > > > > > > >> Maxim aka solomax
>>> > > > > > > >>
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > > > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > > > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > > > > > > [email protected]
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > > > > > [email protected]
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > WBR
>>> > > > > > Maxim aka solomax
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --
>>> > > > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > > > [email protected]
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > WBR
>>> > > > Maxim aka solomax
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > [email protected]
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > WBR
>>> > Maxim aka solomax
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



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WBR
Maxim aka solomax

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