On Dec 20, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Armin Le Grand <armin.le.gr...@me.com> wrote:

>    Hi List,
> 
> Talking about palettes is always difficult - at the end, it's a question of 
> taste. Nonetheless, we need a palette which is by default installed with the 
> office. You all know the current one (for years ;-)) which I think is far 
> from optimal. Thus, I analyzed the current one and want to share my findings. 
> From that, I want to propose a change for our next release. Also probably not 
> optimal, but optimal in this field depends on the user's eye and cannot be 
> met by a single palette anyways.
> 
> Talking about palettes is also difficult since you need to 'see' something - 
> pictures say more than words. To make that easier, I have prepared some data. 
> Please look at
> 
> A Impress document containing two slides 
> (http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.odp)
> The two slides as png's for convenience 
> (http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette.png, 
> http://people.apache.org/~alg/Palette/palette2.png)
> 
> The following thext refers to figures there, so please take a look to see 
> what the text is about (...if you want to continue reading ;-))
> 
> The current (old?) AOO Palette, It's made up of five groups (from my 
> perspective):
> 
> (a) The 16 VGA colors: These come originally from the times where only 16 
> colors were possible and are in hex color notation exactly all eight 
> combinations of red/green/blue on or off, plus these in half intensity. It 
> *had* technical reasons, but these colors do not have any special meaning for 
> the user today (well, for the programmer). Anyways, they are a result of old 
> technical limitations. I think they are ugly and lead to ugly results when 
> using them directly (but that's my impression).
> 
> (b) The 'Main' Colors: 56 colors which try to build up to eight 
> gradient-stepped ranges, e.g. orange. These ranges are *not* equidistantly 
> spread, but somewhat wild/random (see e.g. the reds). I do not know where 
> they historically come from, but I guess they were done by a deveoper at 
> these days. There are some nice colors among them, but not too many. I always 
> search for useful colors there
> 
> (c) The Pale colors: These seem to be younger than the others, may have to do 
> historically with the StarOffice 5.2 color theme, but I'm not sure. Not too 
> bad, not too good a selection. A group of seven colors which form a nice kind 
> of 'schema' and make your presentation look 'acceptable' when using them 
> together.
> 
> (d) The Chart colors: 12 colors used in the new chart module written some 
> years ago. AFAIK these were added at that time especially to support the user 
> having colors at hand corresponding to the default chart colors. Nice. Useful.
> 
> (e) 'Nice' Colors: A sub-group from (b). One is fix, it's the mentioned 'Blue 
> 9' which is currently the default color for objects and has to be in the 
> palette. I personally like (and often use) 'Blue Gray'. These are a question 
> of taste, I would reccomend the named ones, but we need to collect 'your' 
> favorites here. Keep in mind to keep this number low (probably 4-5) and do 
> not forget that the color you like were not choosen freely, but *because* you 
> were limited to the offered ones, so it might be a compromize you are just 
> used to.
> 
> Quite a mix. I compared it with Syphony's palette and there completely new 
> colors are used. One interesting aspect are the white/gray/black ones: In our 
> current palette these are divided between (a) (black, white and two grays) 
> and (b) (the rest, gray 80% .. gray 20%). This is of course because the first 
> four grays are technically in the old VGA palette. I more than once were mad 
> about finding the correct gray in our palette, because of the bad positioning 
> in it. Symphony has all needed grays in one draw as first entries in the 
> palette (what I would expect nowadays).
> 
> Thus, I propose:
> - Basically use Symphony palette
> - Preserve some nice olors from our old palette, but not more than 4 or 5. 
> The default color needs to be preserved (blue 9). I propose to only keep 
> 'Blue Gray', but let's see which other colors are favorites here...
> - Add the Pale colors
> - Add the Chart colors
> 
> The result is 'hand crafted' in the docs linked above, please have a look :-)
> 
> Another aspect of the new palette is that it copies from Symphony the use of 
> '12-er groups' which look nice when you order the palette in a way that 12 
> colors are in a row, please see the picture. This could be a part of our 
> sidepane in progress.
> 
> One more hint: This palette offers defaults to the user after AOO is newly 
> installed, not more (and not less). It can be changed by the user anytime. 
> Colors can be added/deleted by the user. This has no technical limitations in 
> the sense that changing the palette may influence existing ODF's or other 
> written files. E.g. the chart colors are there to not have to look for them, 
> but can be added/removed by the user anytime (they are *not* the source for 
> the chart to use them).
> 
> Lot of text for some colors. So, tell me what you think about this proposed 
> new palette!
> 
> Sincerely,
>    Armin
> --
> ALG


Armin,

Great enhancement. In fact this is in the UX backlog.

Regards,
Kevin
 


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