On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM, janI <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mar 6, 2013 11:47 PM, "Kay Schenk" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right, thanks.  I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week,
> and I
> > > > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text.
> > > >  Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the
> > > > 1980s.  (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.)
> > > >
> > > >  - Dennis
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40
> > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > >
> > > > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar
> camp
> > > > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon.
> > > > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round.
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I don't think entropy is the proper term.
> > > > >
> > > > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. You can't win.
> > > > > 2. You can't even break even.
> > > > > 3. And you can't get out of the game.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical
> debt.
> > > >  The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be
> > > paid
> > > > by someone (often the users).
> > > > >
> > > > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki,
> > > among
> > > > other things).  Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that
> discriminates
> > > the
> > > > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was
> known
> > > then
> > > > what is known now ... ."
> > > > > See <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html>
> > > > > and <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebtQuadrant.html>.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Dennis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or
> > > > corrections.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Entropy.  The longer we go without solving some of the above
> problems
> > > > > the worse things will get."
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in
> light
> > > > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive.  Perhaps:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Entropy.  Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the
> > > > > longer it's allowed to happen.  We need to be proactive in not only
> > > > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them."
> > > > >
> > > > > Don
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an
> > > information in here:
> > >
> > > I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move
> > > away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all
> content to
> > > moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we
> > > moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since
> setup
> > > files are pr project).
> > >
> > > Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in
> order to
> > > move forward.
> > >
> > > Jan I.
> > >
> >
> > Jan --
> >
> > I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website
> > Strategic Plan page) :
> yes, and the discussion in the mwiki thread about support.
> >
> > "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from
> > Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a
> very
> > small number of system admins."
> >
> > Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know
> about
> > it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to:
> we already have this thread and the mwiki thread, I dont really see a need
> for other threads.
>
> rgds
> jan
>

Well I do not remember a discussion about "moin" specifically. I will look.
Thanks.


> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan
> >
> > with what you know/suggest.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
>
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> > MzK
> >
> > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
>



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