On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM, janI <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mar 6, 2013 11:47 PM, "Kay Schenk" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Right, thanks. I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week, > and I > > > > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text. > > > > Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the > > > > 1980s. (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.) > > > > > > > > - Dennis > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40 > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website > > > > > > > > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar > camp > > > > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon. > > > > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round. > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't think entropy is the proper term. > > > > > > > > > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form: > > > > > > > > > > 1. You can't win. > > > > > 2. You can't even break even. > > > > > 3. And you can't get out of the game. > > > > > > > > > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical > debt. > > > > The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be > > > paid > > > > by someone (often the users). > > > > > > > > > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki, > > > among > > > > other things). Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that > discriminates > > > the > > > > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was > known > > > then > > > > what is known now ... ." > > > > > See <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html> > > > > > and <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebtQuadrant.html>. > > > > > > > > > > - Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16 > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or > > > > corrections. > > > > > > > > > > "Entropy. The longer we go without solving some of the above > problems > > > > > the worse things will get." > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in > light > > > > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive. Perhaps: > > > > > > > > > > "Entropy. Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the > > > > > longer it's allowed to happen. We need to be proactive in not only > > > > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them." > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an > > > information in here: > > > > > > I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move > > > away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all > content to > > > moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we > > > moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since > setup > > > files are pr project). > > > > > > Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in > order to > > > move forward. > > > > > > Jan I. > > > > > > > Jan -- > > > > I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website > > Strategic Plan page) : > yes, and the discussion in the mwiki thread about support. > > > > "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from > > Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a > very > > small number of system admins." > > > > Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know > about > > it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to: > we already have this thread and the mwiki thread, I dont really see a need > for other threads. > > rgds > jan >
Well I do not remember a discussion about "moin" specifically. I will look. Thanks. > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan > > > > with what you know/suggest. > > > > > > -- > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin." > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
