On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:59 AM, janI <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2 March 2013 02:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Right, thanks. I talk to Ward (Cunningham) practically every week, and I > > still confuse his name with Ward Christensen when typing it in text. > > Christensen was a well-known CPM-80 open-source contributor from the > > 1980s. (In his day job, he was an IBM tech rep.) > > > > - Dennis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joseph Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:40 > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website > > > > His last name is Cunningham, not Christensen, and I enjoyed his bar camp > > talk quite a bit at this year's Apachecon. > > Pity the AOO contingent was small this time round. > > > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > I don't think entropy is the proper term. > > > > > > The physicists version that I learned was in the following form: > > > > > > 1. You can't win. > > > 2. You can't even break even. > > > 3. And you can't get out of the game. > > > > > > I think an appropriate concern, here, has to do with technical debt. > > The longer the technical debt goes unpaid, the more interest must be > paid > > by someone (often the users). > > > > > > The term was introduced by Ward Christensen (inventor of the Wiki, > among > > other things). Martin Fowler has a nice perspective that discriminates > the > > different ways that technical debt arises (including, "if it was known > then > > what is known now ... ." > > > See <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html> > > > and <http://martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebtQuadrant.html>. > > > > > > - Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Donald Whytock [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 08:16 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Strategic Planning: Website > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I'd love to hear your thoughts, and see your improvements or > > corrections. > > > > > > "Entropy. The longer we go without solving some of the above problems > > > the worse things will get." > > > > > > I'd like to see a slightly-less-apocalyptic wording for this, in light > > > of the public exposure and scrutiny AOO seems to receive. Perhaps: > > > > > > "Entropy. Letting problems persist is easy, and gets easier the > > > longer it's allowed to happen. We need to be proactive in not only > > > recognizing the problems, but also working to solve them." > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > I am not sure if this should go into the document or just be an > information in here: > > I have had a look at the 2 wikis supported by infra. If we want to move > away from mwiki, I think it would be relatively easy to move all content to > moin, where as cwiki would be very hard (too limited). Of course if we > moved someone should make a fresh layout (which is possible, since setup > files are pr project). > > Given the circumstances I would promote a move away from mwiki, in order to > move forward. > > Jan I. >
Jan -- I'm assuming you mention this because of this statement (on the Website Strategic Plan page) : "Sustainability concerns due to our use of unsupported applications (from Apache Infra perspective), including phpBB and MWiki and reliance on a very small number of system admins." Would you be willing to start a new thread on Moin with what you know about it -- pros, cons, conversion from Mwiki, etc. And/or add comments to: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Website+Strategic+Plan with what you know/suggest. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "Achieving happiness requires the right combination of Zen and Zin."
