The "lack of available record" thing can be addressed - to some extent
- by logging the channel traffic and posting the log somewhere where
it will be publicly available.  Offhand, I'd say this is something we
should do, if we aren't already, to the extent that we use IRC.


Phil

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote:
> +1
>
> There's also the problem of synchronicity.  Living in gmt-0800 (now gmt-0700 
> until the end of October), it is very difficult to find an useful window.  
> And if I am not present, I am not aware and have no available record.  The 
> Apach lists and procedures recognize the need for asynchronous activity and 
> allowing for the different times and availabilities of participants.
>
> I personally do not use IRC much, and even in conference calls I avoid 
> "instant design" as much as possible.  That's my personal dynamic for 
> managing multiple activities.  I gather that there are folks who find IRC 
> very useful.  My closest to that is some regular, time-blocked Google+ 
> Hangout meetings.  They have the advantage of audio (plus video), even though 
> one can use chat in a sidebar.
>
> I am not objecting to IRC.  But it is not a panacea.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Rhodes [mailto:motley.crue....@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 08:19
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: What I miss a bit at the project
>
> IRC is great and all, and I'm all for having as many channels as
> people feel a need for.  Just keep in mind that the ASF approach to
> projects is to ensure that decision making is done
> in public and very openly.   I think the implication of that is that
> most discussion that leads directly to a decision, and definitely any
> actual decision making, should happen on the mailing list(s).
>
> That's the way I've always understood it anyway.  Somebody please
> correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>
> Phil
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Raphael Bircher <r.birc...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> At the old OpenOffice project we have had different IRC Channels. Same were
>> more active then others, but we have had a load more activity then now. The
>> fact, that not a load Apache Projects use IRC does not mean that we are not
>> allowed to use IRC. We are not allowed to make dessisions at the IRC,
>> because Apache has clear rouls for dessicion making.
>>
>> IRC has many avantage over a ML. You can discouss problemes life. You have
>> often much faster a answare. And at same problems. work togeter is more
>> afective and make more.
>>
>> I realy would like a more active IRC Channel. I propose #dev.openoffice.org
>> at freenode as our main channel. I encourage you to jump in too.
>>
>> Greetings Raphael
>>
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