On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:43 AM, janI wrote:
>
> > On 18 July 2013 16:50, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>> On 18 July 2013 15:29, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> We have the opportunity to restructure the pages on our CWiki. When
> >>>> looking over the current structure it looks like we've been taking two
> >>>> entirely different approaches to organizing the information:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) A team-oriented approach, where at the top organizational level
> >>>> there are parent pages for each team, dev, qa, doc, l10n., etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) A release-oriented approach, where the top level is a specific
> >>>> release, like AOO 3.4.1 or 4.0, and subpages are used for status and
> >>>> plans for functional groups.
> >>>>
> >>>> These two approaches look like they are both being used, but not
> >>>> consistently.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder if would be worth being more consistent, and doing something
> >> like:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Have a top-level page for each functional group, for tracking
> >>>> release-independent information, e.g., links to useful other pages,
> >>>> lists of volunteers, "how to" information. The stuff that does not
> >>>> change from release to release. It is information about the team and
> >>>> what they do, not information about tasks for a specific release.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Then have top-level release-specific pages, where we store plans
> >>>> and status reports, dashboards, etc., associated with a release.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this is not so far from what the CWiki was evolving toward.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If we anyhow think about restructuring, why not also think of a merge
> >> with
> >>> mwiki...it does not seem correct that we need all these flavours of
> wiki,
> >>> and it do cost maintenance.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Restructuring is just drag and drop in CWiki. Migration would be more
> >> effort, but we could restructure while migrating. But a non-trivial
> >> effort unless there is a tool that automates page conversion, moving
> >> images, etc.
>
> Exactly.
>
> >>
> >
> > So because its complicated we keep maintaining at 2 different
> > products....We should have been a goverment agency.
>
> Don't cast this kind of note about why we have two wikis. We got the CWiki
> on day one of the project at Apache. The Mwiki remained at Oracle for many
> months. (1) It took some time to get a volunteer named Terry E to do the
> migration which you have taken over. Thank you. (2) Ask on #asfinfra if you
> want to find out about the "difficulties" that occurred.
>
> The CWiki serves its purpose very well.
>
I LIKE CWiki!
>
> > But I get your point, and wont press further for a simpler maintenance.
>
> If the project wants to move to one wiki - sure go ahead. I'll help
> however I can when I have time. I would perfectly happy to longer have to
> Admin it which quite frankly has not been much of an effort. How much
> effort has it taken to manage MWiki?
>
> The balance is that the ASF manages Confluence, but the project must
> manage our own MediaWiki.
>
I propose we take up the issue of wiki merging again soon. A lot has
changed since our last in-depth discussion on this. And, a lot has changed
with each of these products since that discussion.
> Since the ASF is considering WordPress as a replacement for Roller. Maybe
> some of the CWiki content belongs there?
>
> Anyone object to the deletion of the unused OOODEV cwiki?
>
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>> rgds
> >>> jan I.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
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