Hi,

thanks for the clarification.
Then I'm fine with the doc : )

Julian

Am 04.03.19, 13:09 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" <[email protected]>:

    Hi Julian,
    
    I had an error in my table markup ... in a few minutes the footnotes should 
appear ... they're already in the adoc file, but not rendered.
    
    The document is from a point of view of the to become TLP (Cause otherwise 
there would have been more to mention ... "IPMC approval of Releases, 
Committers, PPMCs", ...
    
    And as soon as we are a TLP we no longer have a PPMC, but a PMC as the 
first "P" stands for "Podling".
    
    And I think you are misunderstanding the "Board" ... this is not the 
Incubator PMC (IPMC is just the short name of that). The Incubator itself is an 
Apache TLP and has it's PMC. 
    All TLPs report to the Board of the apache foundation. So our Incubator 
report goes into one big report of the Incubator project and that is then 
submitted as a big report to the Board.
    
    Chris
    
    
    
    Am 04.03.19, 12:00 schrieb "Julian Feinauer" <[email protected]>:
    
        Hi Chris,
        
        I read the document and I like it.
        A few findings / remarks:
        - is this document from the perspectiv of a incubating project or the 
(to become) TLP?
        - You always mention the PMC (should be (P)PMC for a podling)
        - For a podling the "Yes" is missing for board report approval
        - Do the 1) / 2) / 3) Stand for footnotes? If so, they are missing
        - I think there is a slight rendering issue with the "===" at the 
bottom left
        
        But these are just slight remarks (except for the podling vs TLP 
difference).
        
        Julian
        
        Am 04.03.19, 10:23 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
<[email protected]>:
        
            Hi all,
            
            so I just added [1] (will take a few minutes to be live)
            
            However I haven't linked it in the menu yet as we haven't discussed 
it's content.
            
            In general it describes what we have been doing so far (That's why 
I took the liberty to select Consensus Approval for electing new Committers as 
we have been doing that)
            
            If you agree, then I would comment in the link and have it appear 
in the menu.
            
            Chris
            
            [1] http://plc4x.apache.org/developers/decision.html
            
            Am 04.03.19, 09:59 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
<[email protected]>:
            
                Hi all,
                
                I am currently creating a copy of the content on 
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DefaultProjectGuidelines
                This is generally agreed upon by the IPMC and I a really good 
summary. I think we shouldn't do anything different.
                
                The main idea of copying instead of linking is: If in the 
future the linked document would change, we wouldn't notice that.
                Then we could have people coming by referring to the new 
version and we haven't realized the changes. This way we could
                Be made aware of changes, discuss them in the project and 
update our website.
                
                And 1 and 2 in my initial email weren't meant as alternatives. 
I think we should start with all "carried over PPMCs" being "PMCs" and 
"Comitters"
                As we don't have any Committers that are not PPMCs this is sort 
of a trivial assumption ;-)
                
                The number 2 was just a suggestion, that the list of "Carried 
over PMCs" should be all the IPMCs that responded to the "You want to be 
carried over" Email.
                
                Chris
                
                
                Am 04.03.19, 09:01 schrieb "Sebastian Rühl" <[email protected]>:
                
                    Hi all,
                    
                    I agree to what Julian wrote and would also would vote to 
graduate.
                    Currently im a bit involved in private projects but during 
this march I should find some more time for the project again.
                    
                    Sebastian
                    
                    On 2019/03/01 20:35:03, Julian Feinauer 
<[email protected]> wrote: 
                    > Hi Chris,
                    > 
                    > first, thanks for bringing this up and doing all 
necessary tedious work.
                    > As this is the first incubating project I'm that heavily 
involved I'm lacking the exact feeling but I do not feel "unready".
                    > 
                    > I think we have achieved a lot since I joined the project 
and I'm very happy that we have such a strong core community.
                    > The last release also gave me confidence that we are able 
to do all these steps without you (not that we mind if you do it... ).
                    > The next (or the release after) will be performed by Tim 
and I feel confident that he will be able to do it easily with our 
documentation and some help from you or me.
                    > 
                    > Regarding the PPMC / PMC question... I would favor the 
second variant.
                    > We have a pretty big roster (on paper) with many people 
never seen on list (or anywhere else).
                    > So I think this could be a good chance to trim it down a 
bit and have it in more accordance with the people who really went active for 
the project.
                    > 
                    > Tl;dr; Let's do it : )
                    > 
                    > Julian
                    > 
                    > 
                    > Am 01.03.19, 13:49 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
<[email protected]>:
                    > 
                    >     Ok ... logo is uploaded ... so that should have been 
the last open task (Hopefully)
                    >     
                    >     Chris
                    >     
                    >     Am 01.03.19, 13:14 schrieb "Christofer Dutz" 
<[email protected]>:
                    >     
                    >         Hi Justin,
                    >         
                    >         well most of the red lines were actually false 
positives:
                    >         - We do have the image and link to the latest 
events on the page, however we include it with CSS
                    >         - Also was there a License link (Even if it was 
previously called "Apache License", I updated that in the menu and additionally 
let it output the "Apache" menu containing that link in the bottom navigation.
                    >         - I added a Trademark disclaimer in the bottom 
and added a TM to all Apache products mentioned on the start page.
                    >         - I'll add the logo ... if I find out how to do 
it ;-)
                    >         
                    >         And Justin, thanks for reporting this ... that's 
why we wanted you on board :thumbsup:
                    >         
                    >         Chris
                    >         
                    >         Am 01.03.19, 12:50 schrieb "Justin Mclean" 
<[email protected]>:
                    >         
                    >             Hi,
                    >             
                    >             > I'll work on the issues reported in [2] ... 
didn't know about that page … 
                    >             
                    >             Nothing major from what I can see but IMO the 
trademark notice in the footer need updating.
                    >             
                    >             Thanks,
                    >             Justin
                    >         
                    >         
                    >     
                    >     
                    > 
                    > 
                    
                
                
            
            
        
        
    
    

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