On 14 Feb 2011, at 05:29, MICHAEL MCGRADY wrote:

> I think that the original vision needs to be revisited and River needs to see 
> if that vision has been realized or not.  There might be no point in going 
> further.  Further and further and further is not the point.  The point today 
> is what is the point?

I agree for the most part with this, but given that the Jini 2.1 starter kit 
was released over 5 years ago, and we're now looking to 2.1.2, I believe that 
without a clear roadmap, or indeed some ideas that can be explored,  Jini will 
be going no further anyway. So I think my version is more like 'The point today 
is what has been stalling us?', and I understand the upheaval and the like with 
the move from Sun to Apache stewardship, but this alone cannot account for 
nearly five years of near stagnation. 

The development arena of 5 years ago is different from the one of today, 
irrespective of the original vision, there has to be a view of how we make Jini 
and River relevant today, to drive adoption and new blood, and we cannot do 
this unless at least some part of the community is willing to look outside, see 
where the trends and issues are, and begin to discuss where River can augment 
or help with those trends and issues, and then at some point actually do it.

--Calum

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