Carlos,
You can do, but I will use className to manipulate things instead taking
component.element.classList.remove <- To many dots. Previous way doesn't
require from me as a user cleaning anything. I can tell you from the
perspective me as a user who already had an opportunity to write production
application, that I will use className instead add/remove anything.
Are you saying that now I have to do ?
myComp.className = "Carlos Piotr Alex";
myComp.className = "";
myComp.className = "Carlos Alex";
It looks like we won't convince you to just use UIBase as is today, so go
ahead and implement as you wanted in the Jewel.
Btw. In the old way once your component is created no one prevent you use
component.element.classList add/remove/toggle - It will work once component
is created - This is important.
Thanks,
Piotr
2018-03-14 7:44 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>:
> Hi Alex,
>
> to recete the classList you can do className = "" and reenter typeNames and
> classNames
> I think is the only way, then you can continue doing add/remove/toggle
> though classList.
>
> In your example you're still thinking in className mode, you can do easily
> with classList.remove('Piotr'')
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-03-14 0:07 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 3/13/18, 3:16 PM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> > <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Alex,
> > >
> > >2018-03-13 19:20 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > >
> > >> Hi Carlos,
> > >>
> > >> I took a quick look.
> > >>
> > >> 1) I don't see how if the user did:
> > >>
> > >> myComp.className = "Carlos";
> > >> myComp.className = "";
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Right this case is missing, we need to add it, but seems simple since is
> > >deal with value == ""
> >
> > Carlos, that was a simple example. What about:
> >
> > myComp.className = "Carlos Piotr Alex";
> > myComp.className = "Carlos Alex";
> >
> > The "Piotr" class would need to be removed.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> That 'Carlos' would be removed from the classList.
> > >>
> > >> 2) I still don't like that we are calling split and apply on classList
> > >> even for simple assignment of a single className
> > >>
> > >> 3) I don't like that as we aggregate typeNames that we will reset
> > >> className to "" and call split more than once. Not to mention the
> > >> overhead of the extra function calls now that typeNames is not a var
> and
> > >> now a getter/setter.
> > >>
> > >
> > >ok
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That said, I also took another look at the Basic UIBase code and don't
> > >> like it either. Seems like it could be optimized as well and have
> > >> setClassName call computeFinalClassNames.
> > >>
> > >> Regarding performance. I think the key issue is that every change to
> > >> element.className or element.classList can cause a DOM update, so you
> > >> don't want to change element.className or element.classList more than
> > >>once
> > >> during the initialization of the component. I didn't watch the videos
> > >>you
> > >> linked to, but in the first link to a blog post, that person was just
> > >> replacing a one-time setting of className to a string with a call to
> > >> classList.add. But his code is probably pre-parsed into the parameter
> > >> list to classList.add. We have to compute it from a String.split.
> And
> > >> the current code you have proposed is going to change classList
> several
> > >> times as we aggregate typeNames. That doesn't seem right.
> > >>
> > >
> > >I think the video is short and explained very well. I think is good to
> > >review it
> > >
> > >But I think is ok to change my code to get a better performant one. Mine
> > >was created only to see
> > >it works, now we need to tune depending on the different entry points as
> > >you say
> > >
> > >
> > >> If you want to use classList everywhere, I think we'd have to shadow
> it
> > >> with an array so we only set the array of strings on classList as
> > >>needed,
> > >> but classList isn't set up to do a full replacement, AFAICT.
> > >>
> > >> IMO, if you want to continue to pursue use of classList, you would
> focus
> > >> on just replacing computeFinalClassNames and/or setClassName with
> > >> classList handling and see how it looks. Leave typeNames as a var and
> > >>let
> > >> it aggregate without touching classList. UIBase will eventually call
> > >> setClassName in addedToParent. That is the point in the lifecycle
> where
> > >> the user might have set some classNames and the typeNames have been
> > >> aggregated and maybe "fab" or "primary" has been set as well. Either
> > >>you
> > >> track everything in a shadow array or you do one big split then.
> > >>
> > >> Do we know if you set className then read classList, doesn't classList
> > >> represent the things set in className? If that's the case, then in
> > >> MDL/Jewel, "fab" and "primary" should just check to see if
> addedToParent
> > >> has been called and the classNames/classList has been stuffed and if
> it
> > >> has, just call classList.toggle.
> > >>
> > >> However, IMO, the simplest solution should be to leave UIBase as is.
> > >>MDL
> > >> and Jewel should just have to override computeFinalClassNames to
> include
> > >> adding "fab"/"primary" to the final set of strings. I don't
> understand
> > >> why other work would be needed. But the "fab"/"primary" getter
> setters
> > >> should be able to call classList.toggle instead of
> > >>computeFinalClassNames
> > >> and/or setClassName.
> > >>
> > >> If you want to separately prove that it is faster to call
> String.split()
> > >> and set classList instead of passing the space-delimited strings to
> > >> className, that's fine too. The difference for us vs the link you
> > >>posted
> > >> is that we MUST start with space-delimited strings coming from the
> MXML,
> > >> so at least one split() call is required.
> > >>
> > >
> > >I spend some hours trying and
> > >* change typeNames to only one var again, then in addToParent I reset
> the
> > >className, I think this solves the problem of using typeNames lots of
> > >times
> > >and call split and apply lots of times
> > >* I tried to create again a computedFinalClassNames to handle classList.
> > >* The only problem I see is that if don't see any way to avoid call
> split
> > >and apply each time you call setClassName since a compute final is
> needed.
> > >Or I'm missing something?
> >
> > Not sure. I was wondering if you could track which elements in the array
> > belong to typeNames so that portion doesn't need to be re-split. I
> really
> > don't know. Like maybe when typeNames is first split, remember the
> number
> > of elements in the split.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -Alex
> > >
> > >Maybe could be good that you write some code (pseudo code) here better
> to
> > >explain what you propose
> > >since I don't know if I'm understanding your phrases accurately
> > >
> > >It's time for me to go to sleep, tomorrow I'll check if you posted
> > >something to try it
> > >
> > >thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Of course, I could be missing something...
> > >> -Alex
> > >>
> > >> On 3/13/18, 10:30 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> > >>Rovira"
> > >> <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Hi Alex,
> > >> >
> > >> >right, I tested it in JewelExample. If you find something that does
> not
> > >> >conform to what you thinked please let me know to address it.
> > >> >I think it should not be very difficult to handle some isolated case
> > >>with
> > >> >what we have
> > >> >
> > >> >thanks
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >2018-03-13 18:24 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi Carlos,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just so I'm clear, you believe that UIBase.as in the jewel-ui-set
> > >>branch
> > >> >> addresses all of these issues? I've just been watching commits, so
> > >>if
> > >> >>you
> > >> >> think that's the case then I will look at the current state of your
> > >> >>UIBase.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> -Alex
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 3/13/18, 10:14 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> > >> >>Rovira"
> > >> >> <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Hi Alex,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >2018-03-13 17:50 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Hi Carlos,
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> I do not think you are considering all of the scenarios in your
> > >> >>proposed
> > >> >> >> code. I'm sad that I have to delineate them again, but I will
> > >>try.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> 1) In Basic there are two sets of strings: The fixed set from
> > >> >>typeNames
> > >> >> >> that should "never" change. And the className set from the user
> > >>that
> > >> >> >>can
> > >> >> >> not only add, but also remove a set of HTML classes.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >I see the next email so I respond to this in the following, I
> solved
> > >> >>that
> > >> >> >and explain later
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> 2) In MDL and I guess Jewel, there is a third set. They are
> tied
> > >>to
> > >> >> >> properties like you said. "fab" and "primary", and things like
> > >>that.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Yes this will be the normal case in users. People using Jewel or
> > >>other
> > >> >>UI
> > >> >> >set with look and feel will
> > >> >> >use properties as their normal basis in the same way they do now
> in
> > >>MDL
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> 3) For PAYG reasons, it would be great if Basic did not have to
> > >> >> >> contemplate the third set.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> 4) For PAYG reasons, it would be nice if Basic did not have to
> > >>assume
> > >> >> >> conversion to array and call split(). The current code in the
> > >> >>develop
> > >> >> >> branch lets the browser do the split() in native code.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >for 3 and 4 what's the best way to left UIBase untouched so I can
> > >>use
> > >> >>my
> > >> >> >code in Jewel?
> > >> >> >Is the actual way of duplicating the code for UIBase in my own
> > >>library
> > >> >>the
> > >> >> >best way?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Then, as a performance consideration, Harbs claims that changing
> > >> >> >>classList
> > >> >> >> is expensive.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I don't will say that there's a low performance, but my guess is
> > >>that
> > >> >>is
> > >> >> >nothing that we should have in consideration, but we can discuss
> it
> > >> >>later.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> So, your proposed solution MUST allow the user to delete/remove
> > >>any
> > >> >> >> strings they added without removing strings added from typeNames
> > >>or
> > >> >>from
> > >> >> >> the "fab"/"primary" properties.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >That's now working
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> And allow add/remove of the user's
> > >> >> >> strings before or after changing properties like "fab" and
> > >>"primary".
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >as we are dealing with a collection this is working and only one
> > >>copy
> > >> >>of
> > >> >> >the string is maintained and outputted, I think in this way
> > >> >> >less errors of this kind should happen
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Show us how that will work. I'm pretty sure it is possible.
> > >>Then we
> > >> >> >>will
> > >> >> >> debate the performance aspects.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I have it right now completely working in my branch, so it's a
> > >>matter
> > >> >>to
> > >> >> >try it in JewelExample
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> >> -Alex
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On 3/13/18, 6:49 AM, "carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of
> Carlos
> > >> >> >>Rovira"
> > >> >> >> <carlos.rov...@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >So, you if is == you expect that setting className in royale
> you
> > >> >>remove
> > >> >> >> >all
> > >> >> >> >inclusive typeNames?
> > >> >> >> >Harbs, className is not equal to class in HTML
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >2018-03-13 14:08 GMT+01:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> className in Royale == class in HTML.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> > On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >><carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > >> >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > I think we're getting to the point in this discussion.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > For me as a user, I expect to use className property to
> > >>"add",
> > >> >>and
> > >> >> >>not
> > >> >> >> >> > override all I have
> > >> >> >> >> > for that reason in MDL and now in Royale we decided to
> create
> > >> >> >> >>properties
> > >> >> >> >> > (that use to be boolean) like "primary" or in MDL "fab" to
> > >>add
> > >> >>or
> > >> >> >> >>remove
> > >> >> >> >> > those properties (since are library properties that are
> > >>managed
> > >> >> >> >> > specifically).
> > >> >> >> >> > I don't want to set primary and then className removes
> that!
> > >>I
> > >> >> >>think
> > >> >> >> >>that
> > >> >> >> >> > function is not right and will be the cause of many
> problems.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > If the user wants to remove all class names, he can do
> with a
> > >> >> >>method
> > >> >> >> >>that
> > >> >> >> >> > callls element.classList.remove, but the behavior by
> default
> > >> >> >> >>shouldn't be
> > >> >> >> >> > to use className to get rid of all what we have.
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > If you work with html directly , is normal to write
> > >> >>class="class1
> > >> >> >> >>class2
> > >> >> >> >> > ..." and create from scratch
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > in Royale you write mxml and as3 and use className to add
> > >> >> >>additional
> > >> >> >> >> > classes that are not in the api but not to remove the ones
> > >>the
> > >> >> >> >>component
> > >> >> >> >> > set plus the ones the user "switched" on/off due to
> > >>properties
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > 2018-03-13 13:42 GMT+01:00 Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> No. className is supposed to *replace* the entire
> classList
> > >> >>minus
> > >> >> >>the
> > >> >> >> >> >> internally managed ones (i.e. typeNames). Your code
> > >>drastically
> > >> >> >> >>changes
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> >> current behavior.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >> You cannot use add for that and replacing the classList
> will
> > >> >> >>destroy
> > >> >> >> >> your
> > >> >> >> >> >> custom class names.
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >><carlosrov...@apache.org
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> Solving the multiple string value problem:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> This: <j:TextButton text="PRIMARY"
> className="myCustomStyle
> > >> >>some
> > >> >> >> >>other"
> > >> >> >> >> >>> primary="true"/>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> *<button type="button" class="jewel button textbutton
> > >> >> >>myCustomStyle
> > >> >> >> >> some
> > >> >> >> >> >>> other primary" style="margin: 10px 0px 0px; display:
> > >> >> >> >> >>> block;">PRIMARY</button>*
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> with this change
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> COMPILE::JS
> > >> >> >> >> >>> protected function setClassName(value:String):void
> > >> >> >> >> >>> {
> > >> >> >> >> >>> var classes:Array = value.split(" ");
> > >> >> >> >> >>> element.classList.add.apply(element.classList, classes);
> > >> >> >> >> >>> }
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> I think this was all the problems we have right?
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> 2018-03-13 13:20 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >><carlosrov...@apache.org>:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> Hi Piotr,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> that's one of the advantages of a collection, order
> > >>doesn't
> > >> >> >> >>matter! :)
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> <j:TextButton text="PRIMARY" className="myCustomStyle"
> > >> >> >> >> primary="true"/>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> output:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> *<button type="button" class="jewel button textbutton
> > >> >> >>myCustomStyle
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> primary" style="margin: 10px 0px 0px; display:
> > >> >> >> >> block;">PRIMARY</button>*
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> this is one of the reason to change, since you'll end
> > >>trying
> > >> >>to
> > >> >> >> >>figure
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> what comes in first or not.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> Do you need more evidence?
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> Thanks
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2018-03-13 12:48 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki
> > >> >> >> >><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > >> >> >> >> >:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> In my example orders matters. Setup first className
> than
> > >> >>your
> > >> >> >> >> property.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 12:39 Harbs <
> harbs.li...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> >> >>wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I definitely appreciate the work you are doing. I’m
> > >>swamped
> > >> >> >>with
> > >> >> >> >> work
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> right now, so I don’t have the time to spend helping
> > >>you.
> > >> >> >>(Sorry
> > >> >> >> >> about
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that.) :-(
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I think the discussions here are about pretty minor
> > >>points.
> > >> >> >>You
> > >> >> >> >>can
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> certainly implement jewel how you think makes sense,
> > >>but if
> > >> >> >>you
> > >> >> >> >>want
> > >> >> >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> make changes to basic in areas which are not broken,
> > >>there
> > >> >> >>needs
> > >> >> >> >>to
> > >> >> >> >> >> be a
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> really good reason to do so.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> My $0.02,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Harbs
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> > >> >> >> >> carlosrov...@apache.org>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi Piotr,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> thanks for your words, but is difficult to work on
> > >> >>something
> > >> >> >> >>when
> > >> >> >> >> you
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> believe in your vision and others no, and more over
> > >>when
> > >> >>all
> > >> >> >>the
> > >> >> >> >> >> facts
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> you
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> see corroborates that vision. It's difficult to
> > >>maintain
> > >> >>live
> > >> >> >> >>the
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> moto in
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> that scenario.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> but anyway for you Kindly words
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Carlos
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 2018-03-13 12:21 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > >> >> >> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> :
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Carlos,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In my opinion you are not facing the wall from US.
> You
> > >> >>are
> > >> >> >> >>facing
> > >> >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wall
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> from lack of volounteers who can help, do the job.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Believe me your Jewel effort in my list of tasks is
> > >> >>almost
> > >> >> >>on
> > >> >> >> >>the
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Top. I
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> have to fiinish planned work in
> TranspiledActionScript
> > >> >>first
> > >> >> >> >>and I
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> hope
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> to
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> join.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> When it will be - maybe in couple of weeks. In the
> end
> > >> >> >> >>something
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> have to
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pay the bills and Royale is only fraction of that.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I contribute in other related areas. I Wish I could
> > >> >> >>contribute
> > >> >> >> >>in
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> your
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> way
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> or Alex and Peter.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your work!
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Piotr
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 12:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I personally said - Go and try, report back. I have
> > >>gave
> > >> >> >>you
> > >> >> >> >>an
> > >> >> >> >> >> real
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> world
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> examples where classList failed. Try and post the
> > >> >>results.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> 2018-03-13 11:49 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <
> > >> >> >> >> carlosrov...@apache.org
> > >> >> >> >> >>> :
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> it's very hard to me to invest lot of time both in
> > >> >>tryin
> > >> >> >>to
> > >> >> >> >> >> develop
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> something useful in the look and feel field for us
> > >> >>where
> > >> >> >>no
> > >> >> >> >> other
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> is
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> doing
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> work, trying to explain and discuss all issues I
> > >>find
> > >> >> >>without
> > >> >> >> >> get
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> any
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> traction. It's like to face a wall all the time.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm wrong with my proposals but other times
> my
> > >> >> >> >>perception
> > >> >> >> >> is
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> things are settled in a particular way
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and we don't want to change it since is working in
> > >>the
> > >> >> >> >>current
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> state.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> But
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> think we always where thinking of change things as
> > >>we
> > >> >> >>evolve
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Royale.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> We're
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> in a 0.9.2 release, we're not in 1.0, but the way
> > >>we're
> > >> >> >> >>managing
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> all
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issues
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seems to
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> me that we're fine with what we have now and we
> are
> > >> >> >>freezing
> > >> >> >> >>the
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> API.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In all the issues raised last days only CSS
> compiler
> > >> >> >>errors
> > >> >> >> >>are
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> real
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> bugs,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> since without that fixes royale can't output
> > >>concrete
> > >> >>CSS
> > >> >> >> >>rules
> > >> >> >> >> (I
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> think
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> those not require any discussion)
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The font injection is maybe another bug (don't
> know
> > >> >>why a
> > >> >> >> >>class
> > >> >> >> >> in
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> a
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> theme
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is not "visible" by the final app), but can be
> > >> >> >>workarounded
> > >> >> >> >>with
> > >> >> >> >> >> an
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> html
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that setup the font for now.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Things like classNames discussion are not critical
> > >>(I
> > >> >> >>know),
> > >> >> >> >> it's
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> just a
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> matter to refine the API since I had problems each
> > >> >>time I
> > >> >> >>go
> > >> >> >> >> that
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> path,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> first with MDL and now with Jewel. Maybe I'm the
> > >>only
> > >> >>one
> > >> >> >> >>since
> > >> >> >> >> no
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> other
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> has tried what I'm trying to do: Creating Themes.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, give the users only a way to manage
> > >> >> >>classNames
> > >> >> >> >> vía
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> string,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is insufficient and cumbersome and deserves at a
> > >> >>minimun
> > >> >> >>some
> > >> >> >> >> API
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> methods
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> since is an important point in how UI is stylized,
> > >>and
> > >> >>how
> > >> >> >> >> >> controls
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> and
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> objects in html can be "extended" or diferenciated
> > >> >>(Alex
> > >> >> >> >> explained
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> very
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> well the importance of this in the typenames
> > >>thread).
> > >> >>So
> > >> >> >>some
> > >> >> >> >> API
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> to
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> ease
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that is for me very Wellcome since I'm doing that
> > >>work,
> > >> >> >>and
> > >> >> >> >>will
> > >> >> >> >> >> be
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> more
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> users doing that work. In this point, I don't
> think
> > >>we
> > >> >> >>should
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> shield
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> us
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> things like PAYG or if that is a bit less
> > >>performant.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> To close and avoid having much discussion to not
> > >>reach
> > >> >>to
> > >> >> >> >>some
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> valuable
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> point: I can try to go with what we have, but
> > >>makes me
> > >> >> >>feel
> > >> >> >> >>not
> > >> >> >> >> >> so
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> good
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> about the continuous rejection of my proposals. As
> > >> >>well,
> > >> >> >>you
> > >> >> >> >>are
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> saying
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that we should wait to what users demand...but I'm
> > >>an
> > >> >> >>user of
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> API,
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> my perception as a "zero user" seems to be not
> > >> >>valuable.
> > >> >> >> >>Since I
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> don't
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> get
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> traction on this, I'll try to continue with what
> we
> > >> >>have
> > >> >> >>and
> > >> >> >> >> >> report
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> back
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2018-03-13 9:24 GMT+01:00 Harbs
> > >> >><harbs.li...@gmail.com>:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> +1.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Alex Harui
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>> <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am so sad and frustrated that we have spent so
> > >>much
> > >> >> >>time
> > >> >> >> >>on
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> managing a
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> set of strings. I just don't think we have the
> > >> >>people
> > >> >> >> >>power
> > >> >> >> >> to
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> continue
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to seek perfection until it is truly needed by a
> > >> >>user.
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
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> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Patreon:
> > >> >> >> >>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > >> >> >> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
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> > >> >> >> 2BiDRjzQWyG9GPG1rs2Bw%3D&rese
> > >> >> >> >>rved=0
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > >> >> >> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > >> >> >> %7Ce137bd7a9095
> > >> >> >> >>473c2bcc08d588e95a01%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
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> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> --
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > >> >> >> >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> --
> > >> >> >> >> >>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > >> >> >> >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > >> >> >> 7Ce137bd7a9095473c2bcc08
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> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >> >>> --
> > >> >> >> >> >>> Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > >> >> >> >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > >> >> >> 7C63656545817565873
> > >> >> >>
> > >>
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> > 0
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > --
> > >> >> >> >> > Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > >> >> >> >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > >> >> >> 7Ce137bd7a9095473c2bcc08
> > >> >> >> >>d588e95a01%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
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> > >>
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> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >--
> > >> >> >> >Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> > >> >> >> >Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > >> >> >> 7Ce137bd7a9095473c2bcc08d5
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> > >> >> >>
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> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >--
> > >> >> >Carlos Rovira
> > >> >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> > >> >> >Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >--
> > >> >Carlos Rovira
> > >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> > >> >Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Carlos Rovira
> > >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
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> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
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