I think we should add a section to the download page about nightly builds. Someone who is looking for the nightly builds might not know where to find it.
Something like: We do not recommend nightly builds for application developers as they have not been properly tested and can have serious bugs. Nightly builds are useful if you want to get involved in framework development are are prepared to work with bleeding edge code. Source code and nightly build download links can be found on our “get involved” page[link]. Harbs > On Oct 16, 2019, at 10:36 PM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > I did it in pre: > > https://royale.codeoscopic.com/download/ > https://royale.codeoscopic.com/get-involved/ > > will push it tomorrow if nobody suggest any other change > > thanks > > Carlos > > > > El mié., 16 oct. 2019 a las 21:27, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) > escribió: > >> Sounds ok to me. >> >> On 10/16/19, 12:21 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> thanks all for sharing ideas on how to deal with this issue. For what I >> read I like some of them. >> >> We already have a "Get Involved" page (most of the time with forget we >> have >> menu options in the footer bar and top level menu options are only a >> subset >> of what we think "most important" for newcomers). >> With that page in mind, I think we have solve the "creation of a new >> page". >> We can use that. >> >> What I see more easy is then is to move the nightly builds section to >> that >> page, so we are done. >> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> El mié., 16 oct. 2019 a las 18:38, Alex Harui >> (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) >> escribió: >> >>> The principle behind the policy is not ridiculous. AIUI, it is >> important >>> that the general public only downloads artifacts that the PMC has >> approved >>> as an act of the foundation, otherwise the foundation's ability to >> provide >>> a legal shield for release managers is weakened. >>> >>> I mostly agree that the way the word "might" in the policy is being >>> interpreted is "ridiculous". I really don't think the general >> public is >>> being encouraged to download our nightly builds the way the current >> site >>> reads. However, both Justin and I warned about the wording on the >> download >>> page [1] before it went live because we've seen other projects get >>> disrupted by similar nitpicking. AFAICT, the trend at the ASF is to >>> continue to be more restrictive about the word "might" and make it >> harder >>> to find links to nightly builds on project websites. Other projects >> that >>> used to have links or links "below the fold" no longer do when I went >>> looking just now. It won't be worth it to fight it, so let's just >> plan on >>> changing. >>> >>> I see other projects with separate pages, but there is always a >> chance >>> that someday the word "might" will be restricted even more to include >>> separate pages. I'm not making the changes to the site, so I'll >> leave it >>> up to those who are doing the work to decide. >>> >>> IMO, with that in mind, when I look at the current site, it is almost >>> entirely tuned towards our users. The only place we invite folks to >>> contribute is way down on the landing page. And the page that takes >> you to >>> is about mailing lists. I guess you could say that the GitHub link >> is an >>> implied indicator that we're an open source project and that you >> should >>> contribute. >>> >>> So, here are my ideas. Feel free to reject them all: >>> >>> 1) Move the nightly build portion of the download page to a wiki >> page in >>> GitHub. >>> 2) Add a "Get Involved" or "Contributing" menu item similar to what >> Harbs >>> suggested that goes to a different page like Andrew suggested >>> 3) Replace the GitHub menu item with the "Get Involved" or >> "Contributing" >>> menu item >>> 4) Add analytics to the nightly build links so we can see how many >> people >>> click it >>> 5) Add a popup to the link to the nightly build so folks must agree >> to the >>> disclaimers. >>> >>> I recommend that we just do #1 and move on. We've got plenty of >> other >>> things to work on. >>> >>> My 2 cents, >>> -Alex >>> >>> [1] >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.apache.org%2Fthread.html%2F8564ab5687c631bd4961bf8b987a5e9d30d6673d5050f72b8a9aaa53%40%253Cdev.royale.apache.org%253E&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849942445&sdata=2LPwIowIFGZmQ%2FzCMYeq8xPcXKJKBQPPkqpX41U3V40%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> On 10/16/19, 7:08 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@bowlerhat.dev> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hopefully a separate public page is allowed. What a ridiculous >> policy! >>> >>> -- >>> Josh Tynjala >>> Bowler Hat LLC < >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbowlerhat.dev&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849942445&sdata=NquMJTtJe9gbR1%2FnBTzhxcviBJ4YJP1gwF6vSXMBzSE%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 6:30 AM Andrew Wetmore < >> cottag...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Can they have their own dedicated page, wreathed around with >>> cautions and >>>> disclaimers to scare away folks who should not be using them? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:42 AM Carlos Rovira < >>> carlosrov...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> we get request to remove Nightly builds from download page >> (see >>> issue in >>>>> GitHub below). >>>>> I open this thread to discuss where is better place for it. >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> El mié., 16 oct. 2019 a las 14:26, GitBox (<g...@apache.org>) >>> escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> carlosrovira commented on issue #498: Nightly builds must >> not be >>>> promoted >>>>>> on download pages >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fapache%2Froyale-asjs%2Fissues%2F498%23issuecomment-542675010&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849942445&sdata=Z6dNjKh0aqBGikhqbsyBdU4vjPWVmU5WVbjttchDqv0%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I searched to the place in our mailing list that seems >> to be >>> the >>>>> source >>>>>> of the actual state for nightly on download page: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapache-royale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com%2FNeed-help-with-CSS-class-selector-font-family-is-always-Arial-tp1418p1485.html&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849942445&sdata=E%2FKOMhp%2BiAXYz0J4x6OirDdMrygkD5vIzxyrfDI8aWc%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> I think If we want to change it we need to discuss in >> list >>> how we >>>> want >>>>>> it now >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. >>>>>> To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use >> the >>>>>> URL above to go to the specific comment. >>>>>> >>>>>> For queries about this service, please contact >> Infrastructure at: >>>>>> us...@infra.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> Apache Git Services >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Carlos Rovira >>>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849952441&sdata=lSw72rs2eai5YLdYdlkNczbbOARD8OrWrvHh5WVCAfA%3D&reserved=0 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Andrew Wetmore >>>> >>>> >>> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcottage14.blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849952441&sdata=kbtpYHjg2iy8yLowfz0EGQ7qWv3e5%2BWt7cLn7qGw5cs%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Carlos Rovira >> >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C3069e9eec31c4fc643fd08d7526e02de%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637068504849952441&sdata=lSw72rs2eai5YLdYdlkNczbbOARD8OrWrvHh5WVCAfA%3D&reserved=0 >> >> >> > > -- > Carlos Rovira > http://about.me/carlosrovira
