No objections from me. ________________________________ From: Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 11:47:24 AM To: Apache Royale Development <dev@royale.apache.org> Subject: Re: Releasing: Finally giving up
Hi Alex thanks. I want to ask first Yishay since he took over. If he doesn't object anything we can do it. El jue., 26 mar. 2020 a las 19:50, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) escribió: > @Yishay Weiss > > Let's wait until the set of Maven steps are available from Chris and > Carlos. Then I will try to find some cycles to help you. Because of where > I live, where the schools are closed, and my kids schedule, I have good > weeks and bad weeks for having time for work, so it will be best to wait to > try a release until we have the steps and it is one of my good weeks (next > good week starts this Friday at 5pm my time). > > Thanks, > -Alex > > On 3/26/20, 5:13 AM, "Yishay Weiss" <yishayj...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > I too, feel very uncomfortable participating in these threads. While > grateful to Carlos and Chris for their work I’m very annoyed with the tone > of ultimatums and doom and gloom. Alex has put in a lot of work into this > and I trust his concerns are technical, rather than protecting his ego as > has been suggested. We need to get this discussion back on technical tracks. > > Since Chris has given up, and it looks like Carlos has as well, I > volunteer to start the release process from scratch next Sunday, which is > after Israel has switched to day light saving. I will try to do the process > incrementally and in parallel to my other tasks. If by the end of the week > it turns out the process is too cumbersome and cannot realistically be made > to work smoothly I will be in favor of changing the requirements to enable > Chris’s mvn setup to be the main release tool. > > Thanks, > Yishay > > From: Piotr Zarzycki<mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:27 PM > To: Apache Royale Development<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Releasing: Finally giving up > > Hi All, > > I'm member of Apache Foundation for quite some time now. I think I > have wrote maybe 2-3 emails during that time on members mailing list. - > Why? - well I'm a person which doesn't like never ending stories, stories > which are not end up with consensus nor action and I'm sorry but this is > how it looks like in most cases there. Here we are in Apache Royale project > where this thread ended up exactly the same - never ending story. - As PMC > of this project I would like to say enough! :) > > I had hope that when Carlos and Chris try CI steps and in the process > they may have some issues, but they will end up in the same place as I > ended up where I was able to prepare RC1 in about 2h without the problem. > It turns out that they end up in the place where I have started, in the > place where I have spend 5-6 days of work to finally reach stable point. > They ended up frustrated in the same way as I was! > > I really don't care now what kind of issue they have now, whether it's > fixable or not - I just have enough of those never ending discussions where > there is absolutely no results. > > I met Chris in US in Miami and I have spend with him best time ever, > he is really great developer - if he is saying that he will have release > process in 3-4 steps on my machine - I'm +1 make it so. Not tomorrow, not > in a week - start today! > > Please start whole work on that and make it happen. I will be the > first who try the process and maybe with Chris's help we will solve also > issue with uploading artifacts to staging area which we had. > > Good Luck, > Piotr > > czw., 26 mar 2020 o 12:02 <cont...@cristallium.com<mailto: > cont...@cristallium.com>> napisał(a): > > Hi Guys, > > I'm a lover of Flex dev guy since more than 10 years, been members of > Flex group on Montpellier (France) at golden age of Flex and go at all > conferences when Michaël Chaize came to Montpellier (and using Flex every > day). > > First of all I want to thank every one of you for your hard work, and > congratulate you for the actual Apache Royale capabilities. > With the last features (especialy datagrid), today your great work > make possible to use Apache Royale in business application. Of course, > there are bugs, but when reported, it's quickly fix, this is great. > > Now, this is a huge opportunity but also risk for all guys like me to > adop Apache Royale for futur projects or use it instead of using Air when > it's possible. > Personnaly, I first use it on my own Webs applications and perhaps for > my customers on little applications for the begin. My big enormous worry is > to use it and be alone in front of a SDK bug. > Seeing new release every 1 or 2 months should certainly reassure me. > For now I see SDK 0.9.7 since a lot of time and this make me affraid and I > don't understand why there is no 0.9.8. > > I'm speaking as an Apache Royale SDK user : I'm very sad to read these > debates on the subject of tools to use for making release. I don't care > about tools nedeed or not to build the release SDK. > I would like use Apache Royale to build RAD (Rapid Application Dev) > Web applications and see more and more SDK features added, and participate > to project (like today) by reporting bug by using my time on isolate the > bug and make tests cases with screenshoots to save your time in fixing it. > > Using Reac, Bootstrap, AngularJS or other similar is a back to 80's. > How can I explain my customer that I need 3 ou 4 days to make thinks that > took me 1 day with Flex ? > The big competitive advantage of Apache Royale is not only be able to > re-use Flex apps but is also simplicity and time saving where other SDK > can't do it. (I think you already know that) > > I am convinced that all guys like me will jump using Royale when they > will know that there is a bug free SDK with fast evolution available. > (unfortunaly it's not known enough, nobody know someone working in > newspapers ?) > > So please, I beg you, don't waste your time on things that are not > essential and like Carlos said, go forward. From outside view, Apache > Royale stay sticky to 0.9.7. > > You are so close of a v1.0, I hope see it very soon and other releases > with bugs fix every 1, 2 or 3 months. > Consider my comments as support and not criticism. > > Thanks again for your hard work. > > Long life and success to Apache Royale ! > > Fred > > > > Le 26.03.2020 09:26, Carlos Rovira a écrit : > Hi, > > that's amazingly simple, so I think we should go that way without > doubt. I > think reached this point there's a clear sense of that we need to go > that > route. > > We tried our best to stick with the previous process and we're all > loosing lots of time. Then currently seems no more people in the > community > was interested in this thread, event to comment a single line (here or > in > the other users list thread), what means that or there's no more people > like us in this project or people really is not interested and just > want us > to release and go forward. > > As previously I think most of the PMCs here (Om, Josh, Greg and me for > sure), probably Yishay for his concise comments are more for this. > My thinking is that the right now I think only 2 PMCs are for CI > Server, > and other one that is uncertainly but didn't try the CI Server. > > I think all can live together while is not a must for the rest that > don't > want it the others option, so what's about if we release with the > super-simple steps Chris proposal, and others wanting to use CI do that > when is their RM turn ? (of course maintaining it and making it work > for > his release without requiring nothing for the rest that doesn't want > it). > > Release as other projects do is recommended but not required, the same > as > the actual CI server (but this one should be less recommended since is > a > royale-only practice not seen in any other place). > > What's the important thing is to release, do it, and do it easily and > often. > > Thanks > > > > El jue., 26 mar. 2020 a las 8:24, Christofer Dutz (< > christofer.d...@c-ware.de<mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de>>) > escribió: > > > Ok, > > I'll write this a last time as I do feel like we're going in circles > and > will from now on not participate in any discussion involving releasing > on a > CI server. > > A correct Maven release would use (There will be some additional > profiles > to activate to include all modules) > > 1) the "mvn release:branch" call in order to create the branch and bump > the version of develop to the next version. > 2) the "mvn release:prepare" to change the pom to the release version, > set > the timestamp in the pom (for reproducible builds) build ... if all > tests > are good, commit the changes, tag this commit, update the poms to the > next > development version, commit those changes and push everything. > 3) the "mvn release:perform" which will checkout the tagged version > build > everything with the "apache-release" profile turned on (Which causes > the > source.jars, Javadoc.jars, hashes and gpg singatures to be created as > well > as the assembly) This also deploys the built artifacts to Nexus. > > Most of that you are already doing on the CI server however you're not > letting it do all automatically (For lack of credentials) > > But ... if you would just be doing those steps on the RM machine. > > Chris > > > > > > Am 26.03.20, 05:54 schrieb "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > <mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>>: > > > > On 3/25/20, 4:46 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrov...@apache.org > <mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> wrote: > > > What I want to know is what the Maven commands should be to > create a > > release in this "conventional process" you are referring to. > > > > If you want to know what's the conventional maven process is, I > think I can > ask Chris if he wants to work with me on that process, since he > already did > many other Apache projects, we can expect the process is what > is > needed for > us to. But just expect that will be a series of standard maven > commands > (prepare, release,...), so nothing strange at all (I expect). > > Do you want us to do that? > > Yes. I want to know what the series of standard Maven commands > are. > Then we can figure out how to convert them to run on the CI server. > > -Alex > > Thanks > > > > > > Maybe someone else can explain better than me. > > > > -Alex > > > > On 3/25/20, 2:22 PM, "Carlos Rovira" < > carlosrov...@apache.org<mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> > wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > El mié., 25 mar. 2020 a las 21:26, Alex Harui > > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid<mailto:aha...@adobe.com.invalid > >>) > > escribió: > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that part of the "conventional process" > you want to > > try > > > requires filling the staging repo from a local machine. > > > > > > > This is what we already did. If you go to [1] will see > [2]. > That was > > the > > upload of compiler to the staging repo. When trying to do > the same for > > typedefs it failed when trying to fill repo from local > machine. 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