Hi Alex and Yishay, as compiler-build-tools is released (hope others will have the time to test and vote it soon), let me know if I finally start 0.9.7. I'll be ok with whatever you decided.
Thanks! :) Carlos El dom., 29 mar. 2020 a las 21:43, Alex Harui (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid>) escribió: > I share your concern with the precedent being set here. I don't think the > folks behind these changes should be off the hook for getting the CI steps > to work again. Otherwise, any of us can go break stuff under the rationale > of making something else better and let someone else deal with the mess. > > Still, certain things have to be done. I think there is consensus that a > release should be doable on a local machine or the CI server. So, > hopefully Carlos is off to not just create an RC, but also document the > steps required to do this end-to-end on a local machine by actually doing > it. That made sense while waiting for Sunday to roll around to see if that > gets past the timestamp issue in the SWCs. > > If you have time to tweak the CI steps and see if they work to help get > them working again, feel free to do so. I will hopefully have cycles to > help. The credentials are in the private@ archives. I recommend > creating a completely new set of steps by cloning the old jobs as needed. > For example we won't need the 1a (utils) step (or probably the other utils > steps) anymore. A differently named step or two is needed to match what > Carlos did for the compiler-build-tools release. > > If you can help them resolve the SWC timestamp issue, I hope to see the > folks who committed to restoring these steps back to working order will > complete that task. > > My 2 cents, > -Alex > > On 3/29/20, 10:43 AM, "Yishay Weiss" <yishayj...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I guess I misunderstood. I thought we were only talking about the > compiler-build-tools release. > > Carlos, I of course don’t mind you doing the work. I have plenty on my > plate. I’m concerned with the process. Although I haven’t been following > the threads closely enough to understand the whole technical debate, I did > understand that Alex and others have expressed reservations (e.g. should > the release actually use ant to verify the ant build). Has this debate > reached a conclusion that enjoys a consensus? If not, there should probably > be a vote. I don’t want to encourage a dynamic where debates are won by > unilateral action. > > If everyone feels comfortable with Carlos releasing with mvn, then I > won’t object. If there are reservations then I’d still like to give it > another week, and see if an RM newbie like me can apply the process > suggested by Alex. > > Thanks. > > From: Carlos Rovira<mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org> > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:34 PM > To: Apache Royale Development<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Releasing: Finally giving up > > Hi Yishay, > > I think we were all in agreement so I'll make the release. Right now > we're > voting the compiler-build-tools 1.2.0 release > As soon as this is approved, I'll continue withe 0.9.7 release. > > compiler build tools 1.2.0 is done to release some small changes for > reproducible builds and check the optional path about to release > compiler > build tools or jburg versions in the future (that should be very rare). > > Thanks > > > El dom., 29 mar. 2020 a las 15:59, Yishay Weiss (< > yishayj...@hotmail.com>) > escribió: > > > Ok, I’m ready. What’s next? Do I need to cancel an RC? How do I > login to > > Jenkins? Where do I start? > > > > From: Alex Harui<mailto:aha...@adobe.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:50 PM > > To: dev@royale.apache.org<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org>; Yishay > > Weiss<mailto:yishayj...@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: Releasing: Finally giving up > > > > @Yishay Weiss > > > > Let's wait until the set of Maven steps are available from Chris and > > Carlos. Then I will try to find some cycles to help you. Because > of where > > I live, where the schools are closed, and my kids schedule, I have > good > > weeks and bad weeks for having time for work, so it will be best to > wait to > > try a release until we have the steps and it is one of my good weeks > (next > > good week starts this Friday at 5pm my time). > > > > Thanks, > > -Alex > > > > On 3/26/20, 5:13 AM, "Yishay Weiss" <yishayj...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > I too, feel very uncomfortable participating in these threads. > While > > grateful to Carlos and Chris for their work I’m very annoyed with > the tone > > of ultimatums and doom and gloom. Alex has put in a lot of work into > this > > and I trust his concerns are technical, rather than protecting his > ego as > > has been suggested. We need to get this discussion back on technical > tracks. > > > > Since Chris has given up, and it looks like Carlos has as well, I > > volunteer to start the release process from scratch next Sunday, > which is > > after Israel has switched to day light saving. I will try to do the > process > > incrementally and in parallel to my other tasks. If by the end of > the week > > it turns out the process is too cumbersome and cannot realistically > be made > > to work smoothly I will be in favor of changing the requirements to > enable > > Chris’s mvn setup to be the main release tool. > > > > Thanks, > > Yishay > > > > From: Piotr Zarzycki<mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:27 PM > > To: Apache Royale Development<mailto:dev@royale.apache.org> > > Subject: Re: Releasing: Finally giving up > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm member of Apache Foundation for quite some time now. I think > I > > have wrote maybe 2-3 emails during that time on members mailing > list. - > > Why? - well I'm a person which doesn't like never ending stories, > stories > > which are not end up with consensus nor action and I'm sorry but > this is > > how it looks like in most cases there. Here we are in Apache Royale > project > > where this thread ended up exactly the same - never ending story. - > As PMC > > of this project I would like to say enough! :) > > > > I had hope that when Carlos and Chris try CI steps and in the > process > > they may have some issues, but they will end up in the same place as > I > > ended up where I was able to prepare RC1 in about 2h without the > problem. > > It turns out that they end up in the place where I have started, in > the > > place where I have spend 5-6 days of work to finally reach stable > point. > > They ended up frustrated in the same way as I was! > > > > I really don't care now what kind of issue they have now, > whether it's > > fixable or not - I just have enough of those never ending > discussions where > > there is absolutely no results. > > > > I met Chris in US in Miami and I have spend with him best time > ever, > > he is really great developer - if he is saying that he will have > release > > process in 3-4 steps on my machine - I'm +1 make it so. Not > tomorrow, not > > in a week - start today! > > > > Please start whole work on that and make it happen. I will be the > > first who try the process and maybe with Chris's help we will solve > also > > issue with uploading artifacts to staging area which we had. > > > > Good Luck, > > Piotr > > > > czw., 26 mar 2020 o 12:02 <cont...@cristallium.com<mailto: > > cont...@cristallium.com>> napisał(a): > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > I'm a lover of Flex dev guy since more than 10 years, been > members of > > Flex group on Montpellier (France) at golden age of Flex and go at > all > > conferences when Michaël Chaize came to Montpellier (and using Flex > every > > day). > > > > First of all I want to thank every one of you for your hard > work, and > > congratulate you for the actual Apache Royale capabilities. > > With the last features (especialy datagrid), today your great > work > > make possible to use Apache Royale in business application. Of > course, > > there are bugs, but when reported, it's quickly fix, this is great. > > > > Now, this is a huge opportunity but also risk for all guys like > me to > > adop Apache Royale for futur projects or use it instead of using Air > when > > it's possible. > > Personnaly, I first use it on my own Webs applications and > perhaps for > > my customers on little applications for the begin. My big enormous > worry is > > to use it and be alone in front of a SDK bug. > > Seeing new release every 1 or 2 months should certainly reassure > me. > > For now I see SDK 0.9.7 since a lot of time and this make me affraid > and I > > don't understand why there is no 0.9.8. > > > > I'm speaking as an Apache Royale SDK user : I'm very sad to read > these > > debates on the subject of tools to use for making release. I don't > care > > about tools nedeed or not to build the release SDK. > > I would like use Apache Royale to build RAD (Rapid Application > Dev) > > Web applications and see more and more SDK features added, and > participate > > to project (like today) by reporting bug by using my time on > isolate the > > bug and make tests cases with screenshoots to save your time in > fixing it. > > > > Using Reac, Bootstrap, AngularJS or other similar is a back to > 80's. > > How can I explain my customer that I need 3 ou 4 days to make thinks > that > > took me 1 day with Flex ? > > The big competitive advantage of Apache Royale is not only be > able to > > re-use Flex apps but is also simplicity and time saving where other > SDK > > can't do it. (I think you already know that) > > > > I am convinced that all guys like me will jump using Royale when > they > > will know that there is a bug free SDK with fast evolution available. > > (unfortunaly it's not known enough, nobody know someone working in > > newspapers ?) > > > > So please, I beg you, don't waste your time on things that are > not > > essential and like Carlos said, go forward. From outside view, Apache > > Royale stay sticky to 0.9.7. > > > > You are so close of a v1.0, I hope see it very soon and other > releases > > with bugs fix every 1, 2 or 3 months. > > Consider my comments as support and not criticism. > > > > Thanks again for your hard work. > > > > Long life and success to Apache Royale ! > > > > Fred > > > > > > > > Le 26.03.2020 09:26, Carlos Rovira a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > that's amazingly simple, so I think we should go that way without > > doubt. I > > think reached this point there's a clear sense of that we need > to go > > that > > route. > > > > We tried our best to stick with the previous process and we're > all > > loosing lots of time. Then currently seems no more people in the > > community > > was interested in this thread, event to comment a single line > (here or > > in > > the other users list thread), what means that or there's no more > people > > like us in this project or people really is not interested and > just > > want us > > to release and go forward. > > > > As previously I think most of the PMCs here (Om, Josh, Greg and > me for > > sure), probably Yishay for his concise comments are more for > this. > > My thinking is that the right now I think only 2 PMCs are for CI > > Server, > > and other one that is uncertainly but didn't try the CI Server. > > > > I think all can live together while is not a must for the rest > that > > don't > > want it the others option, so what's about if we release with the > > super-simple steps Chris proposal, and others wanting to use CI > do that > > when is their RM turn ? (of course maintaining it and making it > work > > for > > his release without requiring nothing for the rest that doesn't > want > > it). > > > > Release as other projects do is recommended but not required, > the same > > as > > the actual CI server (but this one should be less recommended > since is > > a > > royale-only practice not seen in any other place). > > > > What's the important thing is to release, do it, and do it > easily and > > often. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > El jue., 26 mar. 2020 a las 8:24, Christofer Dutz (< > > christofer.d...@c-ware.de<mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de>>) > > escribió: > > > > > > Ok, > > > > I'll write this a last time as I do feel like we're going in > circles > > and > > will from now on not participate in any discussion involving > releasing > > on a > > CI server. > > > > A correct Maven release would use (There will be some additional > > profiles > > to activate to include all modules) > > > > 1) the "mvn release:branch" call in order to create the branch > and bump > > the version of develop to the next version. > > 2) the "mvn release:prepare" to change the pom to the release > version, > > set > > the timestamp in the pom (for reproducible builds) build ... if > all > > tests > > are good, commit the changes, tag this commit, update the poms > to the > > next > > development version, commit those changes and push everything. > > 3) the "mvn release:perform" which will checkout the tagged > version > > build > > everything with the "apache-release" profile turned on (Which > causes > > the > > source.jars, Javadoc.jars, hashes and gpg singatures to be > created as > > well > > as the assembly) This also deploys the built artifacts to Nexus. > > > > Most of that you are already doing on the CI server however > you're not > > letting it do all automatically (For lack of credentials) > > > > But ... if you would just be doing those steps on the RM machine. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 26.03.20, 05:54 schrieb "Alex Harui" <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID > > <mailto:aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>>: > > > > > > > > On 3/25/20, 4:46 PM, "Carlos Rovira" < > carlosrov...@apache.org > > <mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> wrote: > > > > > What I want to know is what the Maven commands should > be to > > create a > > > release in this "conventional process" you are > referring to. > > > > > > > If you want to know what's the conventional maven > process is, I > > think I can > > ask Chris if he wants to work with me on that process, > since he > > already did > > many other Apache projects, we can expect the process is > what > > is > > needed for > > us to. But just expect that will be a series of standard > maven > > commands > > (prepare, release,...), so nothing strange at all (I > expect). > > > > Do you want us to do that? > > > > Yes. I want to know what the series of standard Maven > commands > > are. > > Then we can figure out how to convert them to run on the CI > server. > > > > -Alex > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone else can explain better than me. > > > > > > -Alex > > > > > > On 3/25/20, 2:22 PM, "Carlos Rovira" < > > carlosrov...@apache.org<mailto:carlosrov...@apache.org>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > El mié., 25 mar. 2020 a las 21:26, Alex Harui > > > (<aha...@adobe.com.invalid<mailto: > aha...@adobe.com.invalid > > >>) > > > escribió: > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that part of the "conventional > process" > > you want to > > > try > > > > requires filling the staging repo from a local > machine. > > > > > > > > > > This is what we already did. If you go to [1] will > see > > [2]. > > That was > > > the > > > upload of compiler to the staging repo. When > trying to do > > the same for > > > typedefs it failed when trying to fill repo from > local > > machine. I think > > > Chris or I should not take more time in trying to > fix Ant > > scripts that > > > are > > > failing. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frepository.apache.org%2F%23stagingRepositories&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840951898&sdata=U8BmlIdd6ZajuOEn1jNCWlrJbAn%2BV1BQbwhsXkRc854%3D&reserved=0 > > > [2] > > > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fa%2Fw4az7pD&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840951898&sdata=PKLdBG1DimNg3wANGcs3cTfiR3nelEed1tBZM%2FvVU%2Bk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840951898&sdata=3uxFi47xpWG7B3m7OF%2FqniyK7yb3uUDZD4CCgaUtwPM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840961853&sdata=xtI3M5bsNTrNr5pz7b7cDKaWaqkcbLGrcovspTCH8xk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Frédéric Gilli > > > > mob.0668542622 > > > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cristallium.com&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840961853&sdata=FmIv8VzENVjH8Lbe%2FYiZb%2BtripSYb5JG%2F5hdWvnVW9M%3D&reserved=0 > > > > [cid:171168797bb6addd0331]< > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cristallium.com&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840961853&sdata=FmIv8VzENVjH8Lbe%2FYiZb%2BtripSYb5JG%2F5hdWvnVW9M%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Piotr Zarzycki > > > > Patreon: > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840961853&sdata=xF1gfNEs6uwJ3oyQ%2BdzA4PJ0eB%2BcGmaBBvas8KVYk9c%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7C875a5f578f66433d903f08d7d408a03e%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C637211005840961853&sdata=xtI3M5bsNTrNr5pz7b7cDKaWaqkcbLGrcovspTCH8xk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > -- Carlos Rovira http://about.me/carlosrovira
