+1 

Re (1).. if there is a recommended release, I suggest forgoing any further 
adjectives, and just call it apache-servicemix-4.x.0.  Make the JBI release the 
"special name" release ie.. apache-servicemix-4.x.0-jbi.   "Minimal" might 
suggest missing core features, and besides the JBI users know who they are ;-)

Re (2) Yes!  Yes!  Yes!  Offline and users behind corporate proxies have all 
sorts of issues if they can't connect.

Matt Pavlovich

On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Gert Vanthienen wrote:

> L.S.,
> 
> 
> Looking at mails on the user mailing lists and going by my own
> production project experience, I'm seeing two use cases for ServiceMix
> where we could support our user base by providing new packaging
> options for Apache ServiceMix.
> 
> 1). A lot of our users seem to be using only Camel/ActiveMQ (and
> perhaps CXF) on their Karaf runtimes.  Many people don't have a use
> case for JBI/NMR and then decide to just create the container they are
> looking for by adding things on top of Karaf directly.  I think it
> would be a good idea to add a apache-servicemix-4.x.0-minimal
> distribution which only packages and installs these basic bundles and
> leaves everything else there as optional features.  Given that we are
> recommending the use of Camel/ActiveMQ/CXF over JBI/NMR ourselves a
> lot, we should really have our distribution represent that
> recommendation.  Over time, we might even consider making this the
> default download and renaming the existing one to
> apache-servicemix-4.x.0-jbi instead or something.
> 
> 2). Another question we occasionally see on the mailing lists is from
> users that are running ServiceMix on machines that don't have internet
> access and that are having a hard time installing optional features.
> In order to cater for that need, we could add an
> apache-servicemix-4.x.0-full distribution that contains bundles for
> all the features we ship with, regardless of whether they're installed
> by default or not.  A quick test shows that it would become over 200
> MB in size, which might make the release process a bit heavy, but one
> other hand: there's definitely a user base for this kind of convenient
> all-in-one download as well.
> 
> What do people think about adding these two packaging options?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gert Vanthienen
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