Hi Raj, We did the same and produced www.blueg.com
Happy to share some experiences too. Kind regards, Darren ----- Reply message ----- From: "Raj Janorkar" <raj.janor...@gmail.com> To: "Chris Spiliotopoulos" <chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> Cc: "dev@shindig.apache.org" <dev@shindig.apache.org> Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project Date: Sun, Nov 8, 2015 12:51 PM Just to let you know I was fan of iGoogle, which is closed in 13. So as a fun and learn something i have implemented it - www.igoogleportal.com I can definitely share some working examples. Cheers. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Chris Spiliotopoulos < chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Raj, > > well I guess this makes 2 of us! Let's wait for what others have to say > just to get a clear view of all the perspectives. > > Cheers > > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Raj Janorkar <raj.janor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> i am ready. >> Last year i was thinking to write documentation with examples but couldn't >> do that. i hate apache way of trunk and website. >> >> This time i can help creating few html pages. >> >> Regards, >> Raj >> >> On Sunday 8 November 2015, Chris Spiliotopoulos < >> chrysanthos.spiliotopou...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > having listened carefully to all the voices from the community so far, I >> > have come down to the following conclusion. >> > >> > There are many professionals among us that have been working in the >> shadows >> > supporting this project in diverse ways - evangelizing, advocating, >> > integrating, etc. without the 'shoulders' of a bold-named company like >> > Google or IBM (who has been the active maintainer of this project for a >> > number of years now). >> > >> > My gut feeling so far has told me that - as has already happened with >> many >> > other technologies - these companies usually invest an amount of time >> and >> > money for experimenting with different types of technologies and if >> things >> > don't go as planned in the long run, what seems to be happening is that >> > some other company takes over on the experiment and so on, until no big >> > name is really interested any more. >> > >> > During this lifecycle, many other companies are starting to adopt the >> > technologies and they are indeed putting them into good use to serve >> their >> > purposes. And this is exactly where we stand at the moment. I can >> totally >> > understand the feelings coming from Ichiro and Darren and at the same >> time >> > I get Ryan's point of view. So how do we handle this situation? >> Speaking >> > for myself, as I come from Greece and I have to live and work in a >> country >> > that is in crisis mode for quite a few years now, all I can say is that >> a >> > crisis can be the mother of invention and change for a better tomorrow. >> > And this is exactly how I see this situation - in a metaphorical way of >> > course :) >> > >> > I think that now is the right time to make a change. Things have >> changed >> > in our industry during the last 10 years and so have trends and >> > communities. Maybe 10 years ago, the Apache Foundation was the place >> to be >> > but now this is definitely not the case - of course this doesn't mean >> that >> > the foundation is not the birthplace of great technologies. But all the >> > action now is over at GitHub. >> > >> > So, since Ryan gave us the green light (from the foundation's >> perspective) >> > that the project can be migrated, I'm outlining my proposals: >> > >> > - We break down the Shindig project into a number of distinct parts - >> > personally I've never used the OpenSocial features and have no >> interest >> > in >> > them since I'm heavily focused on the gadget containment and >> rendering >> > facilities. But there are people like Rene who have invested a lot >> of >> > time >> > and work on extending the OpenSocial features. >> > - We give it a brand new name - never liked the name Shindig in the >> > first place (speaking for myself once more). I think that this is >> very >> > important since we want to make a bold statement to communities that >> > this >> > technology is active, we're using it and others should try it out >> > because >> > it may solve them a number of problems. >> > - Create a modern web site on GitHub where we can all share our >> > experiences through show cases, usage examples and tutorials >> > - We start thinking around the concept of a gadget-centered >> marketplace >> > - in the context of show casing stuff. If I remember correctly >> Darren's >> > team has already launched a project which is very similar to the >> iGoogle >> > web site so he could certainly provide some ideas. >> > - Issues and feature requests can be handled directly though GitHub >> in a >> > more agile and community oriented approach without any of the >> > bureaucratic >> > processes imposed by the Apache Foundation. Once the 'monolith' is >> > broken >> > down into different projects then it would be more manageable and >> people >> > having certain skills could join forces >> > - By utilizing technologies like Docker there is no need for hosting >> > resources and sample material - we can bundle our examples, show >> cases, >> > etc >> > in self-sufficient Docker images and host them over @ DockerHub. The >> > integration with GitHub is seamless so this is a no brainer >> > - Reach out to Atlassian, Jive and the rest of the companies who we >> know >> > for sure that they have invested a lot in this technology (and >> actively >> > use >> > it) to help with this effort - e.g. Atlassian has extended Shindig >> > container & engine to meet their requirements and they definitely >> have >> > devs >> > who know the bits and pieces >> > >> > So the question now for me is really simple. How many of us want to >> move >> > over to the next phase without getting into any sort of credibility >> issues >> > regarding our choices? +1 from me. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > Chris >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@apache.org >> > <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > >> > > I completely understand. I can't speak to the continued support of >> > vendors >> > > who have adopted Shindig, but I would imagine that they can't just >> stop >> > > supporting the products consuming Shindig. I am sorry that this puts >> you >> > > in a tough position but this is a natural cycle of open source >> software. >> > > With no community willing to support and enhance the project there is >> not >> > > much we can do. If someone takes the code and the project regains >> life >> > > somewhere else, that is great. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:22 PM Ichiro Furusato < >> > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi Ryan, >> > > > >> > > > While the code is stable and available I can't go to our CIO and >> > > architects >> > > > and >> > > > advocate use of a project as the basis for our online delivery if >> the >> > > > project has >> > > > folded. We were planning to replace literally five separate legacy >> > > portals >> > > > (that >> > > > have been accumulating like mold rather than serve as replacements) >> > using >> > > > Liferay, with our online widgets being replaced by Open Social >> Gadgets. >> > > > With >> > > > the demise of Shindig I assume Liferay's support of embedded Shindig >> > will >> > > > likely disappear, and therefore my ability to advocate for its use. >> > > > >> > > > It's not the availability of the code, it's the living status of the >> > > > project. If the >> > > > project is dead I can't very well suggest we base millions of >> dollars >> > of >> > > > online >> > > > delivery over the next 5-10 years on it. As I am responsible for >> that >> > > > decision >> > > > I could hardly be said to be responsible in advocating for its use >> at >> > > this >> > > > stage. >> > > > >> > > > Sadly. >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > Ichiro >> > > > >> > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@gmail.com >> > <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Ichiro, while the project will move to the attic, it doesn't mean >> you >> > > > can't >> > > > > continue to use it. If it is stable enough as it is right now for >> > you >> > > > than >> > > > > you should be able to continue to use it as is. >> > > > > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:59 AM Ichiro Furusato < >> > > > ichiro.furus...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > To add just one more voice to the chorus, I'm likewise very sad >> to >> > > hear >> > > > > of >> > > > > > the demise of what >> > > > > > seemed (until this notice) to be a functional and mature >> project. >> > For >> > > > the >> > > > > > past nine months I have >> > > > > > advocated replacing the four (!) existing (legacy) aviation and >> > > > industry >> > > > > > delivery platforms of the >> > > > > > Meteorological Service of New Zealand (MetService) with a >> > > > Liferay/Shindig >> > > > > > based site. Over the >> > > > > > past year we prototyped a replacement service and are currently >> > > > awaiting >> > > > > > the next project >> > > > > > funding cycle. Having to go back to our executive management >> team >> > and >> > > > > tell >> > > > > > them that the >> > > > > > basic architecture of our proposed service is somewhat >> > embarrassing, >> > > > and >> > > > > we >> > > > > > will likewise now >> > > > > > need to reevaluate and design a new solution. As the lead >> designer >> > I >> > > > have >> > > > > > been quite happy >> > > > > > with the Shindig/Open Social Gadget technology, and we had >> looked >> > > > forward >> > > > > > to a robust >> > > > > > implementation cycle, replacing fifteen years of crufty service >> > with >> > > a >> > > > > > shiny new Gadget-based >> > > > > > solution. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sincere thanks to the development team for an excellent job, >> very >> > > sorry >> > > > > to >> > > > > > hear about it being >> > > > > > put into the Attic. There may have been inactivity in the dev >> side >> > at >> > > > > > Apache but we were actively >> > > > > > using, and planning to use it for a substantial part of our >> online >> > > > > weather >> > > > > > delivery solution. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Ichiro >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Ryan Baxter < >> rbaxte...@apache.org >> > <javascript:;>> >> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi fellow Shindig Devs, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would like to let you all know that the Shindig PMC has >> voted >> > to >> > > > > > > terminate the Shindig project and move it to the attic. I >> have >> > > > already >> > > > > > > informed the Apache board about the termination in this months >> > > board >> > > > > > report >> > > > > > > (below). >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As most of you have probably noticed we have seen a decline in >> > > > > > > participation in all aspects of the project over the past >> months >> > > and >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > downward trend has been happening for over a year now. This >> can >> > > > > > certainly >> > > > > > > be seen in our reports to the board [1]. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anyone has any questions please let me know, and I will be >> > sure >> > > to >> > > > > > keep >> > > > > > > everyone up to date as we transition the project to the attic. >> > > > Thanks. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -Ryan >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [1] >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHINDIG/Board+Reports >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> > > > > > > From: Ryan Baxter <rbaxte...@apache.org <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 PM >> > > > > > > Subject: Terminate the Apache Shindig Project >> > > > > > > To: bo...@apache.org <javascript:;> <bo...@apache.org >> > <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > Cc: priv...@shindig.apache.org <javascript:;> < >> > priv...@shindig.apache.org <javascript:;>> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Project Management Committee of the Apache >> > > DirectMemory >> > > > > > > project has chosen by vote to recommend moving the project to >> the >> > > > > > > Attic; and >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it no longer in the best >> > > > > > > interest of the Foundation to continue the Apache Shindig >> project >> > > > > > > due to inactivity; >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig >> > > > > > > project is hereby terminated; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Attic PMC be and hereby is tasked with >> > > > > > > oversight over the software developed by the Apache Shindig >> > > > > > > Project; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Shindig" >> is >> > > > > > > hereby terminated; and be it further >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Shindig PMC is hereby terminated. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Chris Spiliotopoulos >> > >> > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn >> > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter >> > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> >> > >> > > > > -- > Chris Spiliotopoulos > > Solutions Architect | @LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-spiliotopoulos>| @Twitter > <https://twitter.com/chefArchitect> > >
