Thanks for the link to that 2021 discussion Jan - had forgotten about that.

I agree that SIP-14 (or some portion of it) goes a long way towards
making SolrCloud (w/ embedded ZK) a more serviceable default.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 7:14 PM Jan Høydahl <jan....@cominvent.com> wrote:
>
> Cross referencing earlier discussion "[DISCUSS] Make Cloud mode the default 
> option in bin/solr" from May 2021:
>  https://lists.apache.org/thread/79xp2xfvqwhr9zccmsvjvj0hckgg5m6w
>
> Some valid arguments for an against in that thread.
>
> Ideally I'd prefer SIP-14 to be done before embedded zk is promoted as the 
> best way to run Solr.
>
> Jan
>
> > 23. feb. 2024 kl. 19:06 skrev Eric Pugh <ep...@opensourceconnections.com>:
> >
> > During today’s community discussion the topic of moving to defaulting to 
> > SolrCloud mode came up.
> >
> > The idea here is that when a user run’s “bin/solr start” it fires up an 
> > embedded zookeeper.   Same behavior as “bin/solr -c” in Solr 9.5.    If you 
> > have a Zookeeper Ensemble then “bin/solr start -z YOUR_ZK_SETUP” would 
> > connect to the external ensemble instead.
> >
> > If you want to continue to use the class user managed mode, then bin/solr 
> > start —user-managed maybe?   Or bin/solr start —standalone ???
> >
> > Other changes would be to go through the Ref Guide and where we have both 
> > SolrCloud and non SolrCloud content that we make sure SolrCloud content is 
> > at the top instead of at the bottom.
> >
> > To me, this feels like a change that would go on main.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
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