http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3675





------- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2004-09-13 11:20 -------
Subject: Re:  [review] pick a project logo

Reply from Christian:

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Hello Daniel,

Another round of iterations. I feel we are getting closer to a final 
version. I played with the colorings a lot but am sending only a small 
set which I felt worked better. Sometimes, you think such a color would 
be better but once you put it in it looks terrible. I also thing these 
are more towards what people seem to like. I also added some two a 
little more wild ones in the middle just to see how people react.

Because line thickness and integrated or not was somewhat tied last 
time, I preserved those option to see if we can come up with some 
decision on these options looking at different colors.

What I would like you guys to do:

1 - Pick out the final envelope thickness. There are some with the 
medium thickness and some with the fat thickness. I think there are 
enough variety to make the decision at this point. We need to decide 
that this iteration.

2 - We need to define integrated or not integrated too. This was a hard 
thing for me because it is almost impossible to have the same color 
scheme when the logo is integrated and when it is not. Also, integrated 
is much harder to choose the colors, it gets very hard to manage a 
scheme where all the contrast works and the colors look good. Anyway, we 
got to decide now and the new integrated color scheme that I created 
aims to give it a better chance. I felt that the original integrated 
color schemes were a little unfavorable to the integration. One warning 
however, if integrated is chosen and another color scheme is chosen 
there is no guarantee that it will work. But we'll try.

3 - Define 1 (ONE) color scheme from the ones I created. Then, once that 
is decided, I would like that people give a brief explanation of what 
they like or dislike about it, and what they feel would make it better. 
Now, some people would have NOT have chosen the final color scheme, but 
those are the ones who need to voice why they did not like it. At this 
point everything starts becoming very subjective and it will be 
impossible to satisfy everyone. Colors are the hardest to select with a 
group, too personal. But the more input I get on the colors the better I 
can do another iteration only on colors based on variations of the one 
color scheme chosen now.

4 - I worked my ass out to try to created an apache feather with the 
same drawing style than the apache logo (which is a wonderfull rendering 
by the way) and simply could not do it. It is too far away from my own 
drawing style. So, what I did was get the apache feather gif from the 
apache's homepage, cut and use it as a feather in one of the new logo 
versions. See if you can spot it. I am divided on whether I personally 
like it or not. Actually, I do, but I am worried about scaling and stuff 
like that. Now, from the looks of it, that feather comes from a vector 
drawing. If you I could get a hand on that then I can integrate it with 
the logo better and be able to scale it better.

As you must have noted the output of this iteration will be:

  1 color scheme
  1 envelope thickness
  1 choice between integrated or not
  1 choice between apache gif feather or not

Loren's point about the different scales is right. There is always 
tweaking for different sizes of the logo and line thickness is usually 
what changes. We need then to first define the thickness that we want in 
the standard size logo (which is this one we are choosing). This will be 
the one reference. Then as we scale down or up I'll have to make changes 
in thickness to maintain the same look and feel. Usually, only on 
extreme size changes that matters, like the web page buttons, for example.

Another thing, I don't know what is the timeline for you guys. I am 
thinking that we'll need another iteration to get the final version. And 
then start working on the different formats.

Alright, so let's see if we get closer to the end of this selection 
process.

Yours,

Christian

PS: Some friends have tried to open PNGs in their internet explorer 
browsers and get garbled stuff or the resizing issue that Loren 
mentioned. Could you double check to make sure everyone is opening the 
file correctly?
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