Thanks very much for the prompt and comprehensive reply! I appreciate the overarching desire to integrate with apache: I'm very happy to hear that there's a move to use the existing groups as mirrors: that will overcome all of my objections: particularly if it's bidirectional! :)
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:19:06 PM UTC-8, Andy Konwinski wrote: > > Hey Mike, > > As you probably noticed when you CC'd > spark-de...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>, > that list has already be reconfigured so that it no longer allows posting > (and bounces emails sent to it). > > We will be doing the same thing to the > spark...@googlegroups.com<javascript:>list too (we'll announce a date for > that soon). > > That may sound very frustrating, and you are *not* alone feeling that way. > We've had a long conversation with our mentors about this, and I've felt > very similar to you, so I'd like to give you background. > > As I'm coming to see it, part of becoming an Apache project is moving the > community *fully* over to Apache infrastructure, and more generally the > Apache way of organizing the community. > > This applies in both the nuts-and-bolts sense of being on apache infra, > but possibly more importantly, it is also a guiding principle and way of > thinking. > > In various ways, moving to apache Infra can be a painful process, and IMO > the loss of all the great mailing list functionality that comes with using > Google Groups is perhaps the most painful step. But basically, the de facto > mailing lists need to be the Apache ones, and not Google Groups. The > underlying reason is that Apache needs to take full accountability for > recording and publishing the mailing lists, it has to be able to > institutionally guarantee this. This is because discussion on mailing lists > is one of the core things that defines an Apache community. So at a minimum > this means Apache owning the master copy of the bits. > > All that said, we are discussing the possibility of having a google group > that subscribes to each list that would provide an easier to use and > prettier archive for each list (so far we haven't gotten that to work). > > I hope this was helpful. It has taken me a few years now, and a lot of > conversations with experienced (and patient!) Apache mentors, to > internalize some of the nuance about "the Apache way". That's why I wanted > to share. > > Andy > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Mike Potts <masp...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> I notice that there are still a lot of active topics in this group: and >> also activity on the apache mailing list (which is a really horrible >> experience!). Is it a firm policy on apache's front to disallow external >> groups? I'm going to be ramping up on spark, and I really hate the idea of >> having to rely on the apache archives and my mail client. Also: having to >> search for topics/keywords both in old threads (here) as well as new >> threads in apache's (clunky) archive, is going to be a pain! I almost feel >> like I must be missing something because the current solution seems >> unfeasibly awkward! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Spark Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to spark-users...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > >
