One option that is 3rd party that works nicely for the Hadoop project and it's 
related projects is http://search-hadoop.com - managed by sematext. Perhaps we 
can plead with Otis to add Spark lists to search-spark.com, or the existing 
site?

Just throwing it out there as a potential solution to at least searching and 
navigating the Apache lists

Sent from my iPad

> On 20 Dec 2013, at 6:46 AM, Aaron Davidson <ilike...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd be fine with one-way mirrors here (Apache threads being reflected in
> Google groups) -- I have no idea how one is supposed to navigate the Apache
> list to look for historic threads.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Mike Potts <maspo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks very much for the prompt and comprehensive reply!  I appreciate the
>> overarching desire to integrate with apache: I'm very happy to hear that
>> there's a move to use the existing groups as mirrors: that will overcome
>> all of my objections: particularly if it's bidirectional! :)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:19:06 PM UTC-8, Andy Konwinski wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Mike,
>>> 
>>> As you probably noticed when you CC'd spark-de...@googlegroups.com, that
>>> list has already be reconfigured so that it no longer allows posting (and
>>> bounces emails sent to it).
>>> 
>>> We will be doing the same thing to the spark...@googlegroups.com list
>>> too (we'll announce a date for that soon).
>>> 
>>> That may sound very frustrating, and you are *not* alone feeling that
>>> way. We've had a long conversation with our mentors about this, and I've
>>> felt very similar to you, so I'd like to give you background.
>>> 
>>> As I'm coming to see it, part of becoming an Apache project is moving the
>>> community *fully* over to Apache infrastructure, and more generally the
>>> Apache way of organizing the community.
>>> 
>>> This applies in both the nuts-and-bolts sense of being on apache infra,
>>> but possibly more importantly, it is also a guiding principle and way of
>>> thinking.
>>> 
>>> In various ways, moving to apache Infra can be a painful process, and IMO
>>> the loss of all the great mailing list functionality that comes with using
>>> Google Groups is perhaps the most painful step. But basically, the de facto
>>> mailing lists need to be the Apache ones, and not Google Groups. The
>>> underlying reason is that Apache needs to take full accountability for
>>> recording and publishing the mailing lists, it has to be able to
>>> institutionally guarantee this. This is because discussion on mailing lists
>>> is one of the core things that defines an Apache community. So at a minimum
>>> this means Apache owning the master copy of the bits.
>>> 
>>> All that said, we are discussing the possibility of having a google group
>>> that subscribes to each list that would provide an easier to use and
>>> prettier archive for each list (so far we haven't gotten that to work).
>>> 
>>> I hope this was helpful. It has taken me a few years now, and a lot of
>>> conversations with experienced (and patient!) Apache mentors, to
>>> internalize some of the nuance about "the Apache way". That's why I wanted
>>> to share.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Mike Potts <masp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I notice that there are still a lot of active topics in this group: and
>>>> also activity on the apache mailing list (which is a really horrible
>>>> experience!).  Is it a firm policy on apache's front to disallow external
>>>> groups?  I'm going to be ramping up on spark, and I really hate the idea of
>>>> having to rely on the apache archives and my mail client.  Also: having to
>>>> search for topics/keywords both in old threads (here) as well as new
>>>> threads in apache's (clunky) archive, is going to be a pain!  I almost feel
>>>> like I must be missing something because the current solution seems
>>>> unfeasibly awkward!
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>>> Groups "Spark Users" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>>> an email to spark-users...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> 
>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>>> 
>>> 

Reply via email to