Ok, well I'm concluding there aren't any more thoughts or ideas forth-coming. For those of you on PMC watch private@ for a vote proposing retirement.
Steve On Sep 12, 2024 at 2:07 PM -0500, sblack...@apache.org <sblack...@apache.org>, wrote: > Well I forgot to link the threads, but many of you have read them already, > and if not search ponymail for 2024 messages on the dev list. Can't miss > them as they are the only discussion that has occurred. > On Sep 12, 2024 at 2:05 PM -0500, sblack...@apache.org > <sblack...@apache.org>, wrote: > > I have a somewhat un-conventional idea to run past this group... > > > > The reality is that with all of the changes that have taken place in the > > social API space, there is very little code in github.com/apache/streams > > that has obvious end-user value today. The re-vitalization I've been > > pushing in 2024 (see threads linked below) is pretty in-line with the > > projects original goal, but not really served in any substance by the > > existing code base. > > > > I think fair to say I am the sole remaining very strong proponent of this > > project on the PMC, and even I am now contributing toward the 'new' effort > > in a separate repository entirely, for a clean start. There are a few > > modules imported from apache-streams into apache-streams-activitypub, but > > not many. > > > > I don't have any immediate plans to keep working on the original code base > > other than version bumps and bug fixes. Potentially down the road if the > > basic activitypub server were fully implemented, then it would be > > interesting to start connecting up some of the data 'streams' into it, but > > that is uncertain and not any-time soon. > > > > Round-about way to say, what if we collectively accept some version of the > > above and retire 'Apache Streams' to the attic, and then take the new repo > > with the more specific and self-evidently important and valuable goal back > > to the incubator. Perhaps as 'Apache Pub'? > > On Sep 12, 2024 at 1:41 PM -0500, Brian Hodge <brianpho...@gmail.com>, > > wrote: > > > I have been drafting a more detailed response that I will send later this > > > evening. However, given Shane's message, I figure that signs of life are a > > > good thing. > > > > > > I am interested in keeping this project alive. At the absolute minimum, I > > > am following discussions like this one, and would be willing to step up if > > > the project needed urgent attention, such as a security fix. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 11:31 AM Trevor Grant <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks Shane, > > > > > > > > fwiw, we've already had 3 PMCs (and others) respond* on this thread, so > > > > it > > > > looks like from that perspective anyway, we're good to go on that front. > > > > > > > > tg > > > > > > > > *Techincally one seeded (me) and two responded (Joey and Steve). > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 1:19 PM Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 2024/09/10 18:34:21 Trevor Grant wrote: > > > > > > > > Y'all may or may not have seen, but someone called for us to be > > > > > > > > moved > > > > to > > > > > > > > the attic w/o a roll call earlier today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising the question here on the dev@ list, Trevor! > > > > > > > > > > > > For perspective: the ASF requires that PMCs have at least three > > > > > > active > > > > > > PMC members, such that (for example) someone would notice if a > > > > > > vulnerability were reported, and that the PMC could then make a > > > > > > release > > > > > > with any needed fixes. This is important, because end users expect > > > > > > that > > > > > > any "Apache GoodStuff" project would at least provide a basic level > > > > > > of > > > > > > security or other major fixes if needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > PMCs that can't show they have sufficient people able to reliably > > > > > > show > > > > > > up for urgent cases like that are sent to the Apache Attic - where > > > > > > the > > > > > > entirety of the project is turned read-only at it's existing URLs. > > > > > > While that shutters the active community here at the ASF, all the > > > > > > resources are available for anyone who wants to fork them. > > > > > > > > > > > > This thread is likely the last chance for this community to show > > > > > > there > > > > > > are sufficiently *active* volunteers who could step up to make > > > > > > future > > > > > > releases, otherwise, the board is likely to send the project to the > > > > > > Attic in mid-October. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the past work, no matter which way this thread goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > - Shane > > > > > > Member > > > > > > The Apache Software Foundation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to propose one of three ways forward, and I'm > > > > > > > > curious who > > > > is > > > > > > > > even out there listening and would like to take part in the > > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Go to the attic... the right way - that is to say actually > > > > > > > > declare > > > > on > > > > > > > > the website we're going to be retiring the project and go > > > > > > > > through all > > > > of > > > > > > > > the motions of decommissioning/sunsetting software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1a. Go to the attic ... the way proposed. Someone just slaps > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > 'abandoned' stickers on stuff, and everyone just walks away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Revitalize the project - do people still use social media? > > > > > > > > Is this > > > > > > > > project in its current form still a viable concern. I ask in > > > > > > > > good > > > > faith- > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > occasionally will scroll insta or twitter, but I feel bad about > > > > > > > > myself > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm using them less an less. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Pivot the project - this is a whole bike shed argument in > > > > > > > > itself. > > > > But > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > people are interested in still hanging out (I am) but have > > > > > > > > other things > > > > > > > > they're interested in. If you like this, either vote for > > > > > > > > something > > > > you've > > > > > > > > seen or recommend a new thing. I will volunteer donating > > > > > > > > https://github.com/aboriginal-armadillo/coe-webui/ it's a webui > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > hosts > > > > > > > > a whole galaxy of other LLMs. I want to emphasize that is not > > > > > > > > option 3- > > > > > > > > option 3 is doing _something_ else, and please volunteer ideas- > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > idea/thing I volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. I'm watching/interested, but not voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
