I would echo Benjamin again. While in all honestly, I might not be able to dedicate any time in Streams development given that I am fully engaged in 4 other Apache projects, I would like to join this project as a mentor and help steer this to TLP.
Here's a video of Steve's talk in Berlin from last week btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlU1h0SV4SQ On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Benjamin Young <byo...@bigbluehat.com> wrote: > I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s > face-to-face meeting and have just finished discussing features of > ActivityStreams 2.0: > > https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ > > > > The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to > ship the AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams > community to get back on its feet. > > > > Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more > this week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a > presentation on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa. > > > > There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF > activities, and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major > moment in the chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0. > > > > To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache > Streams (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows > this direction. > > > > So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the > Social Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened. > > > > Thanks! > > Benjamin > > > > -- > http://bigbluehat.com/ > http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung > > > > From: apache<mailto:sblack...@apache.org> > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM > To: Ate Douma<mailto:a...@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org > <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org> > Cc: gene...@incubator.apache.org<mailto:gene...@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic > > > > On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu) wrote: > On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote: > > I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for > social web > > data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught > me a > > lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as > Ate > > points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and > has all > > but disappeared in 2016. > > > > I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer > as a > > mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants > I can > > envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it > should be > > retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere. > > > Hi Steve, > > Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as > there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does > look > like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon. > > You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the > openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation. > That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course > disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes. > > > Thanks for saying so. There has been a lot of good work from the > committers involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed. > > I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and > joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine > Apache > committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but > also > as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places! > > > Thanks for saying so. I’m not going anywhere. #bigdata is what I do and > ASF is where it happens. > > > I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today. > > I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which > if OK > and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating > release for Apache Stream. > Thanks. > > > > I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on > dev@streams.incubator.apache.org > > Kind regards, Ate > > > > > Steve Blackmon > > sblack...@apache.org > > > > On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (a...@douma.nu > > <mailto:a...@douma.nu>) wrote: > > > >> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote: > >> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk > last week > >> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink. > >> > > >> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about > the > >> > Streams project. > >> > >> Good to hear that! > >> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin. > >> > >> > > >> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the > >> > project some more time before calling the attic ? > >> > >> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community > >> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now. > >> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the > >> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable. > >> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and > rally some > >> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to > postpone/cancel > >> the retirement VOTE for now. > >> > >> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know > >> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out. > >> > >> Regards, Ate > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> wrote: > >> > > >> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Ate, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement > guide. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Right. > >> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John. > >> >>> > >> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked > this > >> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement. > >> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be > taken down, > >> >>> instead of flagged as being retired. > >> >>> > >> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on > dev@streams > >> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this > >> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page. > >> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice > what > >> >>> the retirement entails. > >> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either) > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think > I it is > >> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams > >> >> with the > >> >> link to the podling retirement guide. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on > general@ > >> >>> > >> >>> Ate > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> John > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after I > first > >> >>>>> initiated a > >> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in zero > feedback. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Ate > >> >>>>> (Streams mentor) > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic > >> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200 > >> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <a...@douma.nu> > >> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org < > dev@streams.incubator.apache.org> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets > formally > >> >>>>> vote on > >> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic > >> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority > >> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please add > >> >>>>> justification] > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Ate > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache. > org > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >
