Craig McClanahan wrote:

I believe that Struts will become
gradually less relevant for new application development unless it
adopts JSF strongly;


:-). I don't think so.

and it would be a shame to have to *compete* with
Struts instead of *being* Struts.




Why not have JSF compete with HTML tag libs? Like Velcotiy does, etc. No need to have a view Religion locked in MVC implementation - the C part.
If so, then lets all agree on one true DAO 1st, that is more mature
EJB? iBatis? Which JDO? Hibreante? Spring JDBC? Roll your own JDBC? ... which is the official one?
Best thing about Java is choice. I think Caraig said way back "over my dead body will there be a lock on a one DAO", or words to that effect.


I will agree that "the view has been done in '04". If anyone has doubt as to what view will win out in '05, take a look at my sample at http://www.boardVU.com (in IE only for now - click on IE link. Also SandraSF.com has javadocs. It's a chain based dispatcher that I will port to Struts chain after chain becomes a bit more stable.). I see the light, it's a diferent light. By next X-mass, JDNC will be a very polular view tech in production, ahead of JSF and Tapestry.
If I was to limit myself to DHTML tech only... then clearly PHP is best, look at all the PHP apps. Java is most competetive w/ JDNC. That is my religion, the one true one, so all pray to my god! ;-)


No mater how much skill and effort is put in JSF, it will not get production market share, it will only move people to .NET ASP, thats all. I do not think people should be disallowed to do JSF as view in Struts, choice is good. If JSF makes improves... GREAT!!!!!!!

I hope Struts contines to be View agnostic and that it even have some SoA dispatch support in version 2 and 3.

.V

Craig




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