Funny how, every time I raise this issue, I only seem to get responses from NON committers :-).
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:08:32 -0600, Vic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > I believe that Struts will become > >gradually less relevant for new application development unless it > >adopts JSF strongly; > > > > :-). I don't think so. > We'll see :-). > > and it would be a shame to have to *compete* with > >Struts instead of *being* Struts. > > > > > > > > Why not have JSF compete with HTML tag libs? Like Velcotiy does, etc. No > need to have a view Religion locked in MVC implementation - the C part. Because tags is only a small portion of what JSF does. Indeed, it does pretty much everything that Struts 1.x does, either by itself or in conjunction with appropriate libraries (i.e. Tiles, validator framework). > If so, then lets all agree on one true DAO 1st, that is more mature > EJB? iBatis? Which JDO? Hibreante? Spring JDBC? Roll your own JDBC? > ... which is the official one? > Best thing about Java is choice. I think Caraig said way back "over my > dead body will there be a lock on a one DAO", or words to that effect. > When Struts first came out in 2000, a large percentage of early adopters commented that "oh, I was just about to build my own framework -- now I don't have to." We now have that opportunity in 2005 -- to stop spending time on a problem that has been solved (not just by JSF, but by five or six other viable frameworks) -- and solved in ways that are more elegant than our original design. Of course, that is what one hopes to see; that the state of the art advances over time. > I will agree that "the view has been done in '04". If anyone has doubt > as to what view will win out in '05, take a look at my sample at > http://www.boardVU.com (in IE only for now - click on IE link. Also > SandraSF.com has javadocs. It's a chain based dispatcher that I will > port to Struts chain after chain becomes a bit more stable.). I see the > light, it's a diferent light. By next X-mass, JDNC will be a very > polular view tech in production, ahead of JSF and Tapestry. > If I was to limit myself to DHTML tech only... then clearly PHP is best, > look at all the PHP apps. Java is most competetive w/ JDNC. That is my > religion, the one true one, so all pray to my god! ;-) > > No mater how much skill and effort is put in JSF, it will not get > production market share, it will only move people to .NET ASP, thats > all. I do not think people should be disallowed to do JSF as view in > Struts, choice is good. If JSF makes improves... GREAT!!!!!!! > > I hope Struts contines to be View agnostic and that it even have some > SoA dispatch support in version 2 and 3. Why bother with Struts for SoA dispatch? You can solve that problem easily with ChainServlet (part of Commons Chain) and/or things like XML-RPC. > > .V > Craig --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
