Daniel Sahlberg wrote on Mon, Jan 03, 2022 at 09:18:26 +0100: > Den mån 3 jan. 2022 kl 06:27 skrev Daniel Shahaf <d...@daniel.shahaf.name>: > > > Daniel Sahlberg wrote on Sun, 02 Jan 2022 11:27 +00:00: > > > [...] > > > > Thanks for all the [snipped] research! > > > > > But I'm not fond of using yet another external service. > > > > I don't see the problem. We point folks on users@ to git/hg if those > > suit their needs better, so what's stopping us from pointing our users > > to an external list archive? > > > > I'm just worried that we point someone to an external archive, start to > accumulate a lot of links and suddenly the external party lose interest in > maintaining the site and we end up in a situation where we have a lot of > links that suddenly are 404.
Fair enough. We tried to mitigate this for svn.haxx.se with that cron job that retrieved the message-ID's of everything /site/publish linked to, but even that didn't account for, say, links in random dev@ messages. > Similar to what happened to svn.haxx.se a year > ago (it turned out well but we can't expect everyone to be as accommodating > as Daniel Stenberg was/is, or maybe we don't even /want/ to take it over as > I would suspect in the case of marc.info where there is a lot of > non-svn-related data). Well, we wouldn't have to take over the entirety of marc.info, and at any rate doing so would be out of scope for the project. > > I'll wait for some comments before committing anything (or feel free to > > > commit the patch as attached or updated). > > > > At this point I have to say, what's stopping us from just setting up our > > own archives, encompassing all our history including the pre-ASF one? > > > > Nothing except the work to be done and to maintain it. I don't think I can > volunteer any time to this atm (preferring to look at the code). > Fair enough. I have a number of other things on my plate right now too, but if anyone else has tuits, I'm happy to give pointers. (I happen to maintain a small mhonarc instance elsewhere.) > > The hard part of having archives is that it requires having a box online > > that someone needs to apply OS updates to — but we already have > > svn-qavm, so all that remains is to install some archive software > > (mod_mbox or mhonarc or whatever else), load the haxx+apache archives to > > it, and subscribe it to the mailing lists. > > > > I've heard there is also an Apache project called Ponymail. (*taking > cover!*) > I've heard of it too, but my colleague Daniel pointed out¹ that using that project would bump the minimum software requirements required for browsing our Web site. Cheers, Daniel (one of them, I forget which :P) ¹ https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/subversion-dev/202201.mbox/%3CCAMHy98Ok6Cy7poDZsS8djhBCmAProcvc3ED8dCJzwkmE6xhX6g%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > (For mhonarc, the incantation is «mhonarc -add» with the message on > > stdin. mod_mbox parses mbox files dynamically; there's a monthly cron > > job that rotates the delivery paths in the .forward file. Other archivers > > exist.) > > > > Daniel > > > > /The other Daniel > > > > P.S. If we do the above work, the marginal cost of adding APR's or serf's > > or for that matter curl's lists to the set-up will be fairly low. That was > > the concept behind gmane.
