> Now you may argue that the PMC is about “management,” but can you really say that with an honest face given how little the PMC actually did for all those years
I agree that the PMC is not about management in the sense you are speaking, but nor is it a technical body. It serves a small handful of functions, the primary of which is releasing code. Without three active members who take the time to vote, no release can go out the door and the project becomes fodder for the attic. The PMC should be having few conversations within itself and those conversations that occur typically restrict themselves to security issues, brand management and nominating new contributors. As those are generally rare events as a whole, the PMC life of management is a quiet one as you describe. > it seems you are doing little to attract talented contributors That's a point we've not discussed enough. You've mentioned a number of reasons why you think we haven't attracted fresh talent. I'd wonder if there are others to consider as well. Do we have a clear direction for the future that new people can find a connection to and be excited about? Is the code base approachable for someone who is looking at it for the first time? Have the long maintenance cycles on release lines of recent years helped users but not excited nor enticed potential contributors hoping to be more on the forefront of bigger changes? On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 1:18 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Understood. However, it seems you are doing little (if not in willful > opposition) to attract talented contributors. The PMC has replaced > non-corporate (those unbridled by common thought) with corporate minded > individuals who boast about contributing but don’t or have contributed in > the past but have aged out of performing at that level. Now you may argue > that the PMC is about “management,” but can you really say that with an > honest face given how little the PMC actually did for all those years > (meaning private@ has maybe 5 non-VOTE email conversations on it)? Next, > when it is publicly known that Apache TinkerPop kicks off PMC members who > don’t live according to “corporate norms” (completely separate from their > role at TinkerPop), can you honestly say that this inspires potential > talent to risk contributing their time and energy only to be judge for who > they are and how they act in a world ruled by this inane concept of > ‘canceling’ that even your own PMC members (Josh) speak of nonchalantly as > if its a natural state of the human condition and not some aberration of > the fear and despair people feel as competition is being killed out of our > dying industry by ‘inclusive and diverse' organizations like Apache who > have forced you to enact mental gymnastics in order to demonize your own > teammates? Do you honestly believe talent is found in this world you have > positioned yourself in? Talent lives in the young, fresh faced rebels who > created our industry in the first place and without the quirky blog posts, > the thought provoking technological advances, and the triumph of beauty > over conformity, you will not find talent, only the droning on of the > nothingness that has becomes this once great project. A project within an > organization that has gone completely against the doctrines of Apache by > being exclusive, desirous of a monoculture meant to halt innovation and > stagnate progress much like what such thinking did to the automobile > industry of the olden generation... > > Thoughts?, > Marko. > > > On Sep 10, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Stephen Mallette <spmalle...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Marko, I agree with your assertion that the project needs innovation and > > talented contributors to continue to thrive. It needs that as much as it > > needs stability and reliability for the users who depend on it today. > > Obviously, things can't quite be as they were, but perhaps they can > become > > something new. > > > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:34 PM Marko Rodriguez <okramma...@gmail.com > <mailto:okramma...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> Hi guys/gals, > >> > >> Looks like it’s just been Stephen nick-nacking away again as it’s been > the > >> last few years. Given the recent big turnover in management, I was > hoping > >> to eat my own words and see some performance out of Josh, but > unfortunately > >> as given the last 15+ years, 'talk and walk’ (which is even worse than > >> ‘commit and split’). Given that Amazon Neptune is including openCypher > in > >> their distribution and with Neo4j just took in a whomping $300+ million > in > >> a Series <batman symbol>, seems Apache TinkerPop will be falling to the > >> wayside unless some real innovation happens. > >> > >> As such, perhaps I could offer a helping hand given my intimate > knowledge > >> of the codebase and my master of the theory and history of graph > computing > >> that I helped formulate over the last 15 years. With that said, I > >> completely understand if y’all need to hold to the narrative that I’m a > >> “Nazi racist” and thus, unworthy of contributing (after all, the "Nazi > >> code" I wrote over a decade has proven how detrimental ‘racism’ has > been to > >> the integrity of the software). However, on the other hand, if y’all > have > >> moved past such trivial concepts of ‘good and evil’, perhaps we can get > >> TinkerPop movin' again. > >> > >> Take care mein comrades, > >> Marko. > >> > >> http://markorodriguez.com <http://markorodriguez.com/> < > http://markorodriguez.com/ <http://markorodriguez.com/>> > >
