Yo, > I agree that the PMC is not about management in the sense you are speaking, > but nor is it a technical body...
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Robot, for explaining. >> it seems you are doing little to attract talented contributors > > That's a point we've not discussed enough. You've mentioned a number of > reasons why you think we haven't attracted fresh talent. I'd wonder if > there are others to consider as well. So if in the last 3 years no one new and exciting has come along, why in the hell would you witch hunt me — especially for something so stooooopid as a picture of my chicken wearing a WW2 outfit? Are you people this weak minded that you find something this 'off the wall' ridiculous to be “hurtful” and “shameful”? You think that sort of mindset yields a fountain of creative thinking? Where do you think my ideas have come from all these years — acting like everyone else? Jesus man, grow up and smell the roses, you turn a blind eye at the meat factory. > Do we have a clear direction for the > future that new people can find a connection to and be excited about? Is > the code base approachable for someone who is looking at it for the first > time? Have the long maintenance cycles on release lines of recent years > helped users but not excited nor enticed potential contributors hoping to > be more on the forefront of bigger changes? Over the last 3 years, I've seen GremlinServer connection pool/threading/configuration stuff and test suite refactoring as the big majors. Yes, getting your GremlinServer code dope is important for users, but test suites — users don’t care. What they want to see is “what is next?” How does graph take over as the predominate data structure ESPECIALLY against the pressure to abandon NoSQL as BigData falls to the wayside and competition in the market dries up. If I’m a user, I’m thinking: MySQL. Why deal with headache of a technology space where the alpha dogs got fed up and left, the monopolies are sitting on a heap of code they can’t find free labor to maintain/advance, and OSS organizations like Apache are twiddling their thumbs talking about ‘racism’ and ’sexism’ instead of making Apache a breeding ground for novelty and intellectual excellence. There is so much to be done on TinkerPop and much of those ideas were advanced in mm-ADT: dynamic runtime parameterization of pipeline arguments, a bytecode that can be reasoned on, a VM architecture that can support a wide swathe of execution engines (not just the outdated OLAP/OLTP distinction of TP3), a unification of the graph data structure processes with other data structures such as list, map, etc., a compiler that isn’t as fickle as (though wonderful for its time) strategies, … Maintaining code is super important and I thank you for handling it while I was on sabbatical and developing these ideas in mm-ADT, but now the project is stagnating, idle, with an ominous “we seek and destroy ‘racists’!!!”-vibe hovering over it. No intelligent human being with a creative spirit will be inclined to support TinkerPop and that is why you are left adding “career men” to the PMC thinking more about their resume than actually doing real work. And that is a vicious downward spiral — a whole bunch of chiefs and not enough Indians. <— OH NO! RACISM! AAAHHHHH! Outz, Marko. > > > > On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 1:18 PM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > >> Understood. However, it seems you are doing little (if not in willful >> opposition) to attract talented contributors. The PMC has replaced >> non-corporate (those unbridled by common thought) with corporate minded >> individuals who boast about contributing but don’t or have contributed in >> the past but have aged out of performing at that level. Now you may argue >> that the PMC is about “management,” but can you really say that with an >> honest face given how little the PMC actually did for all those years >> (meaning private@ has maybe 5 non-VOTE email conversations on it)? Next, >> when it is publicly known that Apache TinkerPop kicks off PMC members who >> don’t live according to “corporate norms” (completely separate from their >> role at TinkerPop), can you honestly say that this inspires potential >> talent to risk contributing their time and energy only to be judge for who >> they are and how they act in a world ruled by this inane concept of >> ‘canceling’ that even your own PMC members (Josh) speak of nonchalantly as >> if its a natural state of the human condition and not some aberration of >> the fear and despair people feel as competition is being killed out of our >> dying industry by ‘inclusive and diverse' organizations like Apache who >> have forced you to enact mental gymnastics in order to demonize your own >> teammates? Do you honestly believe talent is found in this world you have >> positioned yourself in? Talent lives in the young, fresh faced rebels who >> created our industry in the first place and without the quirky blog posts, >> the thought provoking technological advances, and the triumph of beauty >> over conformity, you will not find talent, only the droning on of the >> nothingness that has becomes this once great project. A project within an >> organization that has gone completely against the doctrines of Apache by >> being exclusive, desirous of a monoculture meant to halt innovation and >> stagnate progress much like what such thinking did to the automobile >> industry of the olden generation... >> >> Thoughts?, >> Marko. >> >>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Stephen Mallette <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Marko, I agree with your assertion that the project needs innovation and >>> talented contributors to continue to thrive. It needs that as much as it >>> needs stability and reliability for the users who depend on it today. >>> Obviously, things can't quite be as they were, but perhaps they can >> become >>> something new. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 6:34 PM Marko Rodriguez <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys/gals, >>>> >>>> Looks like it’s just been Stephen nick-nacking away again as it’s been >> the >>>> last few years. Given the recent big turnover in management, I was >> hoping >>>> to eat my own words and see some performance out of Josh, but >> unfortunately >>>> as given the last 15+ years, 'talk and walk’ (which is even worse than >>>> ‘commit and split’). Given that Amazon Neptune is including openCypher >> in >>>> their distribution and with Neo4j just took in a whomping $300+ million >> in >>>> a Series <batman symbol>, seems Apache TinkerPop will be falling to the >>>> wayside unless some real innovation happens. >>>> >>>> As such, perhaps I could offer a helping hand given my intimate >> knowledge >>>> of the codebase and my master of the theory and history of graph >> computing >>>> that I helped formulate over the last 15 years. With that said, I >>>> completely understand if y’all need to hold to the narrative that I’m a >>>> “Nazi racist” and thus, unworthy of contributing (after all, the "Nazi >>>> code" I wrote over a decade has proven how detrimental ‘racism’ has >> been to >>>> the integrity of the software). However, on the other hand, if y’all >> have >>>> moved past such trivial concepts of ‘good and evil’, perhaps we can get >>>> TinkerPop movin' again. >>>> >>>> Take care mein comrades, >>>> Marko. >>>> >>>> http://markorodriguez.com <http://markorodriguez.com/> < >> http://markorodriguez.com/ <http://markorodriguez.com/> >> <http://markorodriguez.com/ <http://markorodriguez.com/>>>
