Hi Lars, > On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:29 AM, Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, I believe tests are a good thing but worth a separate thread.
Absolutely. > > I'm interested in a point Justin mentioned: The ALv2 was created with > software in mind. When we create "content" though, will that work equally > well? > Textual content as well as graphics, sounds etc. > I'm not knowledgable enough in legal to talk about this. > Any idea if we need to think about anything here? Does it make sense to > reach out to legal@ for this? Apache has many examples of both code and non-code. Web sites, documentation, presentations, test cases, examples are all covered under the ALv2 which is broad enough for everything that I think this project will create and publish. Legal typically likes to have very specific examples which I don't think we have quite yet. Specific to the point of tests, there could be both process (code) and content (text) for the tests I mentioned. Both would equally be protected by ALv2. Regards, Craig > > Cheers, > Lars > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 10:01 PM Sharan Foga <sha...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi Craig >> >> We are on the same page. I mentioned testing and getting feedback from >> attendees in one of the other threads >> >> https://s.apache.org/7FoV >> >> I agree about starting separate discussion threads as ideas and feedback >> might get lost here. >> >> Thanks >> Sharan >> >> On 2019/02/26 17:14:12, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Maybe it's worth a separate thread but I think that student/audience >> feedback is an important part of training and the project should seriously >> consider some formal feedback mechanism. >>> >>> For presenter purposes, I would like to have us generate general and >> specific feedback. >>> >>> General: how did you like the presentation? How were the presenter's >> skills? Did you get what you expected from the presentation? >>> >>> Specific: Do you have a good understanding of how the Apache Incubator >> works? >>> >>> Then there are topic-specific quizzes/tests. These probably should be >> true/false and a/b/c/d questions/answers that could be printed with OCR >> circles; and given as online using web technology. The quizzes might be for >> the audience to check their own understanding, and might be for the >> presenter to check their presentation skills in conveying the information. >>> >>> The tests might also be useful for BigCo to use in a certification >> examination. BigCo could use the tests to evaluate students' understanding >> of the material and if the student has a satisfactory score can earn "BigCo >> Certification of Achievement for Apache Karaf". The exact phrasing of the >> certification needs to be vetted with Apache Trademark/Brand but should be >> similar to "BigCo distribution of Apache Karaf". >>> >>> Craig >>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2019, at 11:17 PM, Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> that helps. I assumed as much (hence we put it in the Proposal) but as >> you >>>> can see it's already been brought up again on the mailing list so I >> think >>>> it's worth it to get a link to a thread with the current stance and >> put it >>>> in a FAQ. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Lars >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:30 AM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com >> <mailto:apache....@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Lars, >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Lars Francke <lars.fran...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe it'd be good to talk with Legal and/or Trademark early >> on to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> an opinion on a few things and then later put a prominent note on >> that >>>>> on >>>>>>>> our website. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It reasonably straight forward I think, as long as 3rd parties >> respect >>>>> the >>>>>>> Apache license, brand and it’s trademarks all is good. For instance >> [2] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There may need to be a discussion around how do we license non code >>>>> stuff >>>>>>> as the ALv2 was only written with software in mind. We also need to >> take >>>>>>> care including stuff that under other licenses, for instance a lot >> of >>>>>>> content is under creative common licenses and that may or may not be >>>>>>> compatible with the apache license. [1] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Good points. And I agree, the current rules probably cover most of it >>>>> but I >>>>>> believe it doesn't hurt to be proactive here and just talk about the >>>>> issues >>>>>> we foresee. And you raised one of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How exactly can we do that and especially how can we market it and >>>>> refer >>>>>>> to it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As long as there’s no confusion with users that the compony is >>>>>>> representing the ASF or the ASF project in question, again all is >> good. >>>>> [3] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone else talked about "certifications" in the VOTE thread. I >> put >>>>> them >>>>>>>> as "out of scope" in the Proposal but that doesn't mean it can't >>>>> change. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This has come up a couple of of time at the board level and from >> memory >>>>>>> it's been something the ASF don’t want to do, that doesn’t mean we >>>>> can’t >>>>>>> bring it up again. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I assumed as much, hence I left it out in the proposal but since it >> was >>>>>> raised during VOTE I assume it'll come up again. So I'd raise this as >>>>> well. >>>>> >>>>> My understanding is the same as Justin's. The board is definitely not >>>>> interested in helping companies create "certified" stamps of approval >> for >>>>> training/courses. >>>>> >>>>> That said, I do not see anything wrong with the training project >> creating >>>>> as part of its offerings things to evaluate attendees' understanding >> of the >>>>> materials. In other words, tests. >>>>> >>>>> I don't recall tests being discussed here. >>>>> >>>>> Craig >>>>>> >>>>>> I see all of his as content for a FAQ page on our website. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Lars >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-sa < >>>>> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-sa < >> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#cc-sa>> >>>>>>> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books < >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books> < >>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books < >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books>> >>>>>>> 3. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes < >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes> < >>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes < >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#notes>> >>>>> Craig L Russell >>>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation >>>>> c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> <mailto:c...@apache.org >> <mailto:c...@apache.org>> http://db.apache.org/jdo < >> http://db.apache.org/jdo> < >>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation >>> c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo < >> http://db.apache.org/jdo> >>> >> Craig L Russell Secretary, Apache Software Foundation c...@apache.org <mailto:c...@apache.org> http://db.apache.org/jdo <http://db.apache.org/jdo>
