It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has demonstrated it is ready to graduate.
One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new committers have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this because of a lack of suitable candidates? Tom [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Terence. > > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation proposal. > > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed this already), > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we need your > opinions. > > - Henry > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Henry, >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation. >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently have 60 >> subscribers, >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15). >> >> Terence >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > HI Patrick, >> > >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather the information. >> > >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@ list contains >> > good amount of emails. >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror and JIRA >> > discussions. >> > The new features development and design had always been made to public >> > for >> > discussions. >> > >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers about how many >> > increase of subscriber. >> > >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2] >> > >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member but it is not >> > because lack of trying. >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and add information >> > to >> > public sites [4] [5]. >> > >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any advice other >> > than >> > validate the report. >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote for. >> > >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for Twill to be in >> > incubator anymore. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > - Henry >> > >> > >> > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/ >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/ >> > [3] >> > >> > >> > http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111 >> > [4] >> > >> > >> > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html >> > [5] >> > >> > >> > https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly looking at the >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think you're in >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but that might just >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it an open >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready for tlp status. >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into progress? E.g. number >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the community. Growth of >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide concrete >> > > insight and help with the evaluation. >> > > >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the incubator list around >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone mentioned the >> > > following document which it seems some folks are using to evaluate >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of graduation, but how do >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against it? >> > > >> > >> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Patrick >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra >> > > <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > HI All, >> > > > >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill as top level >> > project. >> > > > >> > > > The community has released several successful releases and have >> > expanded >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all discussions and >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way. >> > > > >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not attract much >> > > contributions >> > > > from outside world. >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are done mostly by >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to spend boiler >> > > > plate >> > in >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs. >> > > > >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left to learn by >> > > > staying >> > > in >> > > > the incubator. >> > > > >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. >> > > > >> > > > - Henry >> > > >> > > >
