+1 for Terence. On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mea culpa for dropping ball on this. Was busy preparing for Apache Big Data > Con about Apache Twill =P > > I need to propose a VP as part of resolution to board. > > I would like to nominate Terence Yim as the VP for Apache Twill. If people > agree with this nomination, we could go on with board resolution for > graduation. > Otherwise feel free to nominate different people and we can have VOTE. > > - Henry > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Patrick Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Be sure to review the incubator "graduation" documentation. There's a > > set of steps that need to be followed. > > > > Patrick > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > We could send it now. Sorry I was bit pre-occupied in the last week. > > > > > > Any PPMC could start the official VOTE thread to make it happen. > > > > > > If no one beats me, I will send it tomorrow. > > > > > > - Henry > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Sreevatsan Raman < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything > > before > > >> we send the graduation vote? When can we send this? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Sree > > >> > > >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra < > [email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > Thanks for the insights, Tom. > > >> > > > >> > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in > next > > >> > couple days. > > >> > > > >> > - Henry > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra < > > [email protected] > > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Hi Tom, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind went > > to > > >> > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Super Mea culpa from my side. > > >> > > > > >> > > No worries! > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P > > >> > > > > >> > > I thought you would do :) > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation, > which > > is > > >> > me. > > >> > > > And it is reflected in the reports. > > >> > > > > >> > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has > > >> > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to graduate. > > >> > > > > >> > > Cheers, > > >> > > Tom > > >> > > > > >> > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > - Henry > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White < > [email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> Hi Henry, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of > > incubator > > >> > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added > during > > >> > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra < > > >> > [email protected]> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > HI Tom, > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch? > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit > > >> missing > > >> > > on > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> > stickiness to > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think > > >> > graduation > > >> > > is > > >> > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow. > > >> > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming > to > > >> > > >> contribute. > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > - Henry > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White < > > [email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has > > demonstrated > > >> it > > >> > > is > > >> > > >> >> ready to graduate. > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new > > >> > committers > > >> > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this > > >> because > > >> > of > > >> > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates? > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> Tom > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra < > > >> > > [email protected]> > > >> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> > Thanks Terence. > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation > > proposal. > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been > contributed > > >> this > > >> > > >> >> > already), > > >> > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time > we > > >> need > > >> > > your > > >> > > >> >> > opinions. > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > - Henry > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim < > > [email protected] > > >> > > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry, > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently > > have > > >> 60 > > >> > > >> >> >> subscribers, > > >> > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15). > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> Terence > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra > > >> > > >> >> >> <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick, > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather > > the > > >> > > >> >> >> > information. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the > dev@ > > >> > list > > >> > > >> >> >> > contains > > >> > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails. > > >> > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror > > and > > >> > JIRA > > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions. > > >> > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always been > > made > > >> > to > > >> > > >> >> >> > public > > >> > > >> >> >> > for > > >> > > >> >> >> > discussions. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers > > about > > >> > how > > >> > > >> many > > >> > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases > [2] > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs > member > > >> but > > >> > > it is > > >> > > >> >> >> > not > > >> > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying. > > >> > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and > > add > > >> > > >> >> >> > information > > >> > > >> >> >> > to > > >> > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5]. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any > > >> advice > > >> > > >> other > > >> > > >> >> >> > than > > >> > > >> >> >> > validate the report. > > >> > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote > > for. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for > > Twill to > > >> > be > > >> > > in > > >> > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Thanks, > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > - Henry > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > [1] > > >> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/ > > >> > > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/ > > >> > > >> >> >> > [3] > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111 > > >> > > >> >> >> > [4] > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html > > >> > > >> >> >> > [5] > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt < > > >> > [email protected] > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly > > looking at > > >> > the > > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I > think > > >> > you're > > >> > > in > > >> > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, > but > > >> that > > >> > > might > > >> > > >> >> >> > > just > > >> > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it > > an > > >> > open > > >> > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is > ready > > for > > >> > tlp > > >> > > >> >> >> > > status. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into > > progress? > > >> > E.g. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > number > > >> > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the > > >> community. > > >> > > >> Growth > > >> > > >> >> >> > > of > > >> > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could > provide > > >> > > concrete > > >> > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the > > incubator > > >> > list > > >> > > >> >> >> > > around > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone > > >> mentioned > > >> > > the > > >> > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are > using > > to > > >> > > >> evaluate > > >> > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of > > >> graduation, > > >> > > but > > >> > > >> how > > >> > > >> >> >> > > do > > >> > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against > > it? > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Regards, > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > Patrick > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra > > >> > > >> >> >> > > <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> >> >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > HI All, > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill > > as > > >> top > > >> > > >> level > > >> > > >> >> >> > project. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful > > releases > > >> and > > >> > > have > > >> > > >> >> >> > expanded > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all > > >> > > discussions > > >> > > >> and > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not > > attract > > >> > much > > >> > > >> >> >> > > contributions > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are > > done > > >> > > mostly > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > by > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to > > spend > > >> > > boiler > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > plate > > >> > > >> >> >> > in > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left > > to > > >> > > learn by > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > staying > > >> > > >> >> >> > > in > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > > >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >
