Thanks Henry for taking this initiative. Do we need to do anything before we send the graduation vote? When can we send this?
Thanks, Sree On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the insights, Tom. > > If no more comments and concerns, I will send graduation VOTE in next > couple days. > > - Henry > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Henry Saputra <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Ah sorry, it was me who misread your email. Somehow my mind went to > > > "Crunch" as in Apache Crunch. > > > > > > Super Mea culpa from my side. > > > > No worries! > > > > > > > > Yes, I know about Clutch =P > > > > I thought you would do :) > > > > > > > > There is one new committer and PPMC added since incubation, which is > me. > > > And it is reflected in the reports. > > > > That's good to know. As I said, I think Twill as a project has > > demonstrated it operates well at Apache and is ready to graduate. > > > > Cheers, > > Tom > > > > > Need to update the Twill incubator status page to reflect it. > > > > > > - Henry > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Henry, > > >> > > >> Clutch is a reporting tool that gives a useful summary of incubator > > >> metrics for projects in the incubator, including Twill. > > >> > > >> http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > > >> > > >> For example column K is for the number of committers added during > > >> incubation, which is what prompted my original question. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Tom > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Henry Saputra < > [email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > HI Tom, > > >> > > > >> > I think you mixed up between Twill and Clutch? > > >> > > > >> > As for Twill, we are seeing potential new committers but bit missing > > on > > >> the > > >> > stickiness to > > >> > > > >> > I am sure some projects outside use Twill already. I think > graduation > > is > > >> > just another stepping stone for project to grow. > > >> > Hoping in the near future more new committers will be coming to > > >> contribute. > > >> > > > >> > - Henry > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:20 AM, Tom White <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> It is indeed a small podling, but I think Twill has demonstrated it > > is > > >> >> ready to graduate. > > >> >> > > >> >> One thing I noticed from the Clutch report was that no new > committers > > >> >> have been added since the start of graduation [1]. Is this because > of > > >> >> a lack of suitable candidates? > > >> >> > > >> >> Tom > > >> >> > > >> >> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html > > >> >> > > >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Henry Saputra < > > [email protected]> > > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> > Thanks Terence. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Would love to hear more thoughts about the graduation proposal. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Other Mentors (other than Patrick whom have been contributed this > > >> >> > already), > > >> >> > we rarely ask for help but this is definitely one of time we need > > your > > >> >> > opinions. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > - Henry > > >> >> > > > >> >> > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Terence Yim <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Hi Henry, > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks for initiating the discussion about graduation. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> About the subscribers of the dev@list, it is currently have 60 > > >> >> >> subscribers, > > >> >> >> comparing to 27 about a year ago (01/31/16 vs 01/22/15). > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Terence > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Henry Saputra > > >> >> >> <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > HI Patrick, > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Sorry for the late reply, was trying the time to gather the > > >> >> >> > information. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > If you look at the email archive [1] you can see the dev@ > list > > >> >> >> > contains > > >> >> >> > good amount of emails. > > >> >> >> > This include messages from Github Pull Requests mirror and > JIRA > > >> >> >> > discussions. > > >> >> >> > The new features development and design had always been made > to > > >> >> >> > public > > >> >> >> > for > > >> >> >> > discussions. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > I am not admin for dev@ list so I do not have numbers about > how > > >> many > > >> >> >> > increase of subscriber. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > And the community has released about 7 good releases [2] > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > From start of incubation it added only 1 new PPMCs member but > > it is > > >> >> >> > not > > >> >> >> > because lack of trying. > > >> >> >> > The community has presented in Apache Con 2014 [3] and add > > >> >> >> > information > > >> >> >> > to > > >> >> >> > public sites [4] [5]. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > More importantly, the mentors had not needed to add any advice > > >> other > > >> >> >> > than > > >> >> >> > validate the report. > > >> >> >> > The releases made were one of the easiest ones to vote for. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Putting my IPMC hat on, I do not see any reason for Twill to > be > > in > > >> >> >> > incubator anymore. > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Thanks, > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > - Henry > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > [1] > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-twill-dev/ > > >> >> >> > [2] https://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/twill/ > > >> >> >> > [3] > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > http://apacheconnorthamerica2014.sched.org/event/875342b2235e30ec53057352ac7df111 > > >> >> >> > [4] > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > http://www.infoworld.com/article/2609460/hadoop/meet-apache-twill--the-newest-member-of-club-hadoop.html > > >> >> >> > [5] > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > https://jaxenter.com/developing-distributed-applications-with-apache-twill-107728.html > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Patrick Hunt < > [email protected] > > > > > >> >> >> > wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Hi Henry, thanks for sending this out. Strictly looking at > the > > >> >> >> > > graduation requirements on the incubator wikis I think > you're > > in > > >> >> >> > > pretty good shape. I agree the community is small, but that > > might > > >> >> >> > > just > > >> >> >> > > be the way the project is. More the question is is it an > open > > >> >> >> > > community that understands the Apache Way and is ready for > tlp > > >> >> >> > > status. > > >> >> >> > > Can you provide some quantitative insight into progress? > E.g. > > >> >> >> > > number > > >> >> >> > > of pmc added, committers, etc... diversity of the community. > > >> Growth > > >> >> >> > > of > > >> >> >> > > the mailing lists. Some hard numbers that could provide > > concrete > > >> >> >> > > insight and help with the evaluation. > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > I was recently involved in a discussion on the incubator > list > > >> >> >> > > around > > >> >> >> > > Sentry graduation. During that discussion someone mentioned > > the > > >> >> >> > > following document which it seems some folks are using to > > >> evaluate > > >> >> >> > > graduation readiness. It's not a requirement of graduation, > > but > > >> how > > >> >> >> > > do > > >> >> >> > > you feel the project stacks up when evaluated against it? > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > > > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > Regards, > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > Patrick > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM, Henry Saputra > > >> >> >> > > <[email protected]> > > >> >> >> > > wrote: > > >> >> >> > > > HI All, > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > I would like to bring up graduation of Apache Twill as top > > >> level > > >> >> >> > project. > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > The community has released several successful releases and > > have > > >> >> >> > expanded > > >> >> >> > > > the PPMC to show openness, and also have done all > > discussions > > >> and > > >> >> >> > > > development in the open following the Apache way. > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > The podling is indeed small, and so far has not attract > much > > >> >> >> > > contributions > > >> >> >> > > > from outside world. > > >> >> >> > > > I think it is bc most development apps for YARN are done > > mostly > > >> >> >> > > > by > > >> >> >> > > > framework developers which sometimes don't mind to spend > > boiler > > >> >> >> > > > plate > > >> >> >> > in > > >> >> >> > > > exchange for closer control to the lower APIs. > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > However, I believe Twill community has nothing left to > > learn by > > >> >> >> > > > staying > > >> >> >> > > in > > >> >> >> > > > the incubator. > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > Any thoughts and comments are welcomed. > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > - Henry > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
