On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 09:25:05AM -0500, G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
> On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 13:25 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 07:19:22PM -0500, G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 00:43 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:21:07PM -0500, G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
> > [setup-guide]
> > Yes. It settled, but still you did not give a reason why you did not use
> > -Uhv from the beginning, or more precise: Why did the setup read
> > "upgrading is not recommended for beta builds". Still this is
> > unanswered. And /that/ was the point I insisted on being clarified. That
> > did not happen. 
> 
> SUre I did, I said I thought doing so was premature. You then started to
> order that it be done.  Ordering is not asking.

No. You did not. The question is and was: Why did you add that *at all*,
for what reason did you add that. Again: Why did you add "Upgrading not
recommended for beta builds" at all? You never answered this one.

> > [...]
> > I asked, you didn't provide the answer, so *I* lost interest. The rest
> > is just the usual bla-bla.
> 
> Asked? I do not think so. 
 
"Tell us before where you found these links."

If you don't see this as a request for more information (=asking for the
link), then I cannot help you.

> > > If you bring QA into the mix I have a problem
> > > with how you work. You go out of your way to dismiss issues and provide
> > > no information. Get a life. 
> > 
> > A decent argument. Write unclear reports, don't respond to the
> > questions you were asked, but immediately accuse the people that
> > actually are trying to help to be some worthless piece of sh*t without a
> > life. No wonder that noone drives the issue further. Nobody likes to be
> > insulted.
> > 
> > When the reporter is non-cooperative, the only way out is to close the
> > issue. Otherwise it is a waste of time.
> > 
> 
> I see your manners have not improved.

I don't like to butter s.o. up. That's all.

> I have never called you any names

If you define "manners" by not mentioning some words explicitly, then
again this is a fundamental differnce between us two.

> I have simply not accepted that your opinions, et cetera are the be all
> and end all. This seems to annoy you that what you write anywhere is not
> taken as the only truth. 

Again: I'm not refering to this thread alone, neither to the setup-guide
thing alone.
It has been vitually everydiscussion with you where I was involved, in
about every issue with your footprint I came across.

> > > Again as far as this thread goes if you are not going to do anything,
> > > please leave it. You have a real problem that nothing I can do or say
> > > will change to remedy. Look at yourself before you start taking shots at
> > > others. 
> > 
> > Again. Just read what is/was written, don't read what you guess the
> > author wrote.
> 
> No your read. If you cannot read and understand a report, that is your
> problem.

No. If I cannot understand a report and ask for more information but
don't get the necessary information, I close the issue. Done. It is
*your* problem if you're not willing to provide the information.

> I only belong to the mailing list. I cannot troubleshoot for
> those who have access. You have access, it is your job to either take on
> the task or not. 

You have the same access as I have. You may not be able to commit
changes, but this is not necessary to "troubleshoot".

I won't spend my time investigating something for 2 hours if the
reporter could simply give me the URL.

> Trying to shift the problem to someone who is not in a
> position to help and then calling them names shows a certain immaturity.

What names did I call you?

> You know you are coming across to me as a petulant child that can not
> get his own way just like in all our other encounters. Yours is not the
> final word on anything.

Your "tactic" is always talking bla-bla-bla, putting things done on
immatureness or other charachter-"failures" instead of giving facts,
instead of simply answering the questions you were asked.

ciao
Christian
-- 
NP: Metallica - Better Than You

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