Hi Louis,
some hours later and with new energy I'll answer to this post OK :-)
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
All,
There are several things going on and the goal is to make it easier
both for developers and endusers to get and work on OpenOffice.org.
* homepage redesign : homepage using Collabnet
That's the main problem and the start of my comments to the mock-up.
Believe me, it were just the the post "forget this stuff..., we are free
to use another things and so on" which getting me confused about the way
we will go.
It seems to me that I'm 'lost in transit' fighting against invisible walls.
That was the reason that it seems to me that there is no concept or some
kind of confusion.
* portal.openoffice.org: not CollabNet, using Drupal + outside servers
OK.
* users.services.openoffice.org: not collabnet, using outside servers
OK
* overall infrastructure redesign: let's see
* wikis
+ overall infrastructure. The last one is global and there are
meetings involving the stakeholders later on this month and early
next. The idea there is to clarify which SCM (source code manager)
we'll be using, and to resolve other things related to the website.
You've seen, I am sure, the posts regarding "infrastructure
requirements."
Yes I did. And then I saw the discussion here ... see above. To make it
clear what I've meant: The (harsh) post 'I see no concept' was related
to the discussion on website dev not to OpenOffice.org overall
infrastructure redesign in general.
+ The homepage redesign is necessary but there seems to be some
confusion. The wiki,
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Pages_Requirements, was
created by me for the *portal,* not the homepage; at the time, I
wasn't thinking of "portal" as the term. Unfortunately, at least for
the foreseeable future, we are limited to using CollabNet for the
homepage, if not for the portal.
That's exactly what I've in mind :-).
Portal was initially kicked off by Filip, whose company, Bluepoint
proposed something similar off the OOo domain. I feel, along with
Stefan, that we want something in the domain, else we jeopardize our
brand. The compromise was "portal.openoffice.org," which we can use.
We cannot replace the homepage right now as we are tied to Collabnet.
However, portal.openoffice.org would not be.
+ The users.services.openoffice.org site is the evolution of the
OOoForums, which Ed Buck used to manage. He still may but the the
group would like now to situate it within the .services universe, and
I agree. Most people think of the OOoForums site as being part of OOo,
anyway. The actual technology underlying it is something I have not
been tracking.
+ The wikis will continue to use mostly Sun severs and be Sun managed,
though not all servers within the universe are Sun, of course.
*** In a nutshell, then, the goal is ultimately to have a coherent
structure and infrastructure. We are clearly not there yet and are in
transition. Because of contractual obligations we must stay with the
collabnet infrastructure for a while, at least, but for enduser and
developer domains where it makes sense can use alternative servers and
infrastructures; that's where portal.openoffice.org comes in.
Does this clarify things? The immediate goal for this discussion is
double:
* homepage redesign
* portal.openoffice.org
Homepage: collabnet
Portal: not Collab but Drupal.
If an IRC discussion will help, I'm free anytime, more or less.
Thanks a lot for this clarification!
For me there is only one to say:
Lets go forward with new energy in order get our website to a high
quality user friendly place :-)
Next time it seems to me there is something wrong I'll try to contact
You for an irc meeting, cause sometimes direct communication is better
than posts.
Best
Marko
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