On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:49 PM, Sameera Jayasoma <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Azeez, > > > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Azeez don't we need the management API in worker nodes? I assume the >>> answer is yes .. >>> >> >> If you look at the current worker-manager separated setup, we don't have >> a single instance where the management node BE or FE calls into the worker >> node BE. >> > > > I agree that worker nodes do not require administrative services. But for > Management node, we need to maintain the BE/FE separation. I.e we need to > keep the administration services as its. This would user to write their own > UI layer to interact with our server. This exactly what AppFactory is doing > right? In some of the project I've worked, we developed completely > different UI to interact with Mgt nodes. So IMV, we still need that BE > services. > FE-BE separation means from the UI components we make service calls to the BE components. What we need is management APIs. Our UI can simply use these management APIs. We don't need FE-BE separation. External apps can also call these management APIs. > > Thanks, > Sameera. > >> >> >>> >>> So in that case the worker contains the runtime container logic plus a >>> management API (running at a separate port etc. and enabled by request). >>> The management node contains an admin app that talks to the worker nodes >>> via the API and other means (such as ADC). Right? >>> >>> +1 as long as we can still ship a multi-profile distro by default where >>> all of this is in one JVM and then you give the personalty at boot time. >>> >>> Sanjiva. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Samisa Abeysinghe <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> With the worker-manager concept, we no longer require FE-BE >>>>>> separation. There is no need to have FE-BE separation for the management >>>>>> node. So, I think we can completely do away with that concept. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But how do we separate the worker stuff from manager stuff? >>>>> Is that not >>>>> Manger == FE + BE >>>>> Worker == BE >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, FE is the front end of the management admin client. BE is the >>>> management service/API. Worker provides the runtime to run services, apps, >>>> processes, mediation etc. We have made the mistake of calling this runtime >>>> as BE as well. Management nodes will not ideally require this runtime, but >>>> we may need to have some parts of it. e.g. validating the Synapse config >>>> will require Synapse to be in the management node. We will never have a >>>> case where a FE talks to a BE in a worker node. When it comes to the mgt >>>> node, there is no need for separating the FE & BE. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Afkham Azeez* >>>>>> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com >>>>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>>>>> * <http://www.apache.org/>** >>>>>> email: **[email protected]* <[email protected]>* cell: +94 77 3320919 >>>>>> blog: **http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org>* >>>>>> twitter: >>>>>> **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> >>>>>> * >>>>>> linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez* >>>>>> * >>>>>> * >>>>>> *Lean . Enterprise . 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Middleware* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Architecture mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >> >> > > > -- > Sameera Jayasoma > Senior Technical Lead > > WSO2, Inc. (http://wso2.com) > email: [email protected] > blog: http://sameera.adahas.org > > > Lean . Enterprise . Middleware > > _______________________________________________ > Architecture mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture > > -- *Afkham Azeez* Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ * <http://www.apache.org/>** email: **[email protected]* <[email protected]>* cell: +94 77 3320919 blog: **http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org>* twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez*<http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> * linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez* * * *Lean . Enterprise . Middleware*
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