I agree that migrating the build to Maven will help but it might not be
worth the effort at this point in time.

Gary

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023, 08:09 Elliotte Rusty Harold <elh...@ibiblio.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 10:02 AM Gary D. Gregory <ggreg...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mukul,
> >
> > Thank you for working on another RC!
> >
> > In general, our build commands still output way too much information by
> default IMO. The build should be quiet and tell me when things go wrong
> IMO, sure some progress information is OK but I don't care that each .xsl
> file has passed its test for example. WDYT?
> >
>
> You are absolutely right. This is a general failure mode of most
> (all?) build tools. An early principle of test driven development that
> tool vendors have either forgotten or never learned in the first place
> is that passing tests generate no output.
>
> Beyond simply test output, you are also correct that most tools spam
> logs with junk no one wants, no one will read, and simply obscure the
> rare piece of useful information. Anything that can be done to improve
> this situation is valuable, but it's a long slog. A lot of it needs to
> happen in repos where maintainers are way too invested in their own
> tool to consider that actual users simply don't care to know what's
> going on in each and every method in their tool. That reminds me. I'm
> overdue to put some more effort into fixing this problem in Maven,
> though I'm afraid that won't help with Xalan's ant build.
>
>
> --
> Elliotte Rusty Harold
> elh...@ibiblio.org
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