On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Robert Vehse <robert.ve...@freenet.de>wrote:
> > Am 12.03.2011 um 06:51 schrieb Christopher Forsythe: > > > I think it's unrealistic to force volunteers to do things that make their > lives harder. > > > > If I have a vote, for this. > > > > Chris > > Killer phrase, heh. Let's drop 10.6 support then right away since > everybody's going crazy about Xcode 4 and 10.7 and having to support > anything older is just bothersome. And while we're at it, let's just drop > support for all services except XMPP (and perhaps AIM) since nobody cares > about the others... > > Nobody has really countered my argument that it is well likely we might > release 1.5 before Lion is out. Following what we agreed on in a previous > meeting (http://trac.adium.im/wiki/ReleaseCycle) we should soon wrap up > 1.5. It has been in development for 1,5 years. I can't see how dropping 10.5 > support that late in the cycle can have so much merit. > > The only argument that matters is what people are willing to do with their free time, and what they like to do with their free time. I once convinced a developer to work on a feature that nobody wanted to work on. He did it, but that was the end of his work on Adium. I do not believe he enjoyed working on this feature at all, and I fully believe that this is the main reason he quit working on Adium. Adium was no longer fun. Most technical problems have been covered in Adium. What is left is v/v, reshuffling preferences, and UI/UX. imho it's not very compelling to say "oh hey we know about this new version of xcode, but since we *can*, we should maintain support for more than 2 operating systems". I do not agree with you that 1.5 will come out before 10.7, but let's say that you are right. You would only be right by months. If you consider all previous beta periods after 1.0, you're still looking at somewhere around October if Adium is put into alpha/beta cycles even as late as June. So instead of providing new, fun, compelling features for the Developers to work with, you want to hold them back out of what exactly? The only thing I can see here is that you feel bad for some users, and that's it really. I don't see anything else that makes sense. Sure, the meeting notes said everyone agreed. But the meeting notes were before xcode 4 came out, and before this email thread. This email thread is a proposal to change that. Plus you would be relegating all 1.5.x releases to also support 10.5. Which means that xcode 3.x has to stick around that much longer. So say 1.6 comes out next year in March, your proposal would force at least one person to keep 3.x around in order to build Adium. Now is a good time to split off from 10.5. Like a few others have said, blocks is a large improvement, which simply cannot be used when supporting 10.5 and xcode 3.x. I think it cannot be stressed enough about how bad an idea this is in a resource deprived scenario. You are proposing a large misuse of resources here, and don't have anything really compelling other than "but we said we'd do it in a meeting!" and "it's in this policy!". I think you really should look at what you are proposing here Robert, I don't think it's right to the people writing the code to force them to do what they don't want to do here. Chris
