I work at a fairly large company (>2000 engineers on Macs) and very time I introduce a Google Talk user to Adium, they adopt it. I think part of the adoption/growth problem is simply visibility. I think that a clear value proposition, and presence in the app store, would go a long way. I could be wrong, but I think it's not expensive to test that hypothesis.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:06 PM Moses Lei <b...@moseslei.net> wrote: > Colin/Matthew: do we have enough development resources to continue on with > the project, in your opinion? > > If we don't have people to maintain infrastructure, perhaps we should look > at some more creative solutions? For example, how about exporting our trac > data and importing it into Pidgin's trac as a component? That saves us from > having to manage trac, and gives us direct linking to the pidgin/libpurple > community's bugs and issues. > > On a similar note, could Adium rebrand and become Pidgin for MacOS? @Gary, > I'm curious as to what you think of that. > > @erythronium23: I'm not saying Adium isn't useful for people, clearly it > is. But we seem to have gotten to the point where the user base is > dwindling, and the developer base clearly hasn't gone up in a while since > we haven't been putting out releases. Additionally, we don't support > voice/video, which is a basic feature of IM systems these days. So, where > does that leave the project? > > Moses > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Colin Barrett <co...@springsandstruts.com> > wrote: > >> 100% agreed there. We need our brain back! >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:48 PM Matthew <mathuaerkne...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > Just getting an update out in step with Libpurple, removing (adding) >>> accounts on any abandoned networks, and porting some new prpls to Adium, >>> would be an upgrade for the people out there still using Adium, which is >>> non-zero. "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but necessary >>> first step. >>> >>> Agreed! But I'm guessing that should happen after our current >>> infrastructure is replaced with something that isn't currently broken >>> and will be more maintainable. So unless the people ready to do the >>> work are the ones asking whether it's worth the effort, I'd like to >>> see our immediate discussion focused on the short term how than the >>> long(er) term where and why. >>> >>> (Not directed at anyone in particular...) >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 PM Carlos Morales <mora...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but necessary first >>> step. >>> > >>> > Definitely! >>> > >>> > >>> > On Jan 18, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Colin Barrett < >>> co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Lots of good ideas. It will be easier to start to get a critical mass >>> around them once we've recovered our brain (trac). >>> > >>> > Here's my take: Multi-protocol chat is always going to be a compromise >>> in terms of experience, but I think there's definitely room for our type of >>> client. New protocols and networks keep proliferating, after all. So we >>> take it slow. Just getting an update out in step with Libpurple, removing >>> (adding) accounts on any abandoned networks, and porting some new prpls to >>> Adium, would be an upgrade for the people out there still using Adium, >>> which is non-zero. "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but >>> necessary first step. >>> > >>> > Thoughts? >>> > -Colin >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:30 PM Carlos Morales <mora...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Maybe the best way forward is to focus on a protocol that: >>> >> >>> >> 1) still has an active and relatively large user base - even if is >>> just a niche >>> >> 2) still is fully supported by the underling Libpurple platform, >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thoughts? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > On Jan 18, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Matthew <mathuaerkne...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > My Adium use is limited to IRC and Skype for Business. Adium still >>> >> > appears to be the best option for either of these. >>> >> > >>> >> > Outside of Adium, my chats happen in SMS/MMS/RCS, Hangouts, Slack, >>> >> > Discord, Signal, and Keybase. >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 11:27 AM Moses Lei <b...@moseslei.net> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I'm curious as to what services people are using Adium with these >>> days? I'm not sure if this is a popular opinion, but perhaps we should just >>> gracefully end Adium development, if our user/developer base has declined >>> to that point. Like it or not, the days of interoperable protocols seem to >>> be over, and there are almost no services out there that have an API for >>> third party clients anymore. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> My initial reason to contribute to Adium was because of IRC. I'm a >>> cloud architect / IT consultant and over the last few years, almost all my >>> use cases for Adium disappeared. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Personal use cases: >>> >> >> - Facebook XMPP - deprecated by provider >>> >> >> - AIM - no friends use anymore >>> >> >> - Google Talk XMPP - replaced with Hangouts mobile app >>> >> >> - Yahoo - no friends use anymore >>> >> >> - Twitter - replaced with mobile app >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Business/work use cases: >>> >> >> - IRC - Replaced with Slack >>> >> >> - SIPE/Lync - Replaced with Slack in one case, HipChat in another, >>> firewalled off in a third (so now we have to use the Windows desktop app >>> via RDS) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> So, I have not needed Adium for anything for 4-5 years now (it's >>> not even installed on my last two machines) and thus have no impetus to >>> work on it anymore. I'm curious to know if other people have had the same >>> experience. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Current IM services that I use: >>> >> >> - SMS >>> >> >> - iMessage >>> >> >> - Slack >>> >> >> - WhatsApp >>> >> >> - Skype >>> >> >> - LINE >>> >> >> - WeChat >>> >> >> >>> >> >> As far as I know, there is no support in almost any of these for >>> third-party clients, so the raison d'etre for an app like Adium is not >>> fulfillable-- even if we manage to get it onto mobile where it might be >>> more useful. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thoughts? >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Moses >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 9:06 AM Colin Barrett < >>> co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Hi Gary, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I've been trying to get our trac instance back online, or at >>> least recover the dat from it for export. I dropped the ball a bit here, >>> however. In my defense, life has been getting in the way, not a lack of >>> desire. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> If anyone thinks they can be particularly helpful with that, >>> please get in touch with me here or on IRC. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> -Colin >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM Gary Kramlich < >>> g...@reaperworld.com> wrote: >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Hey everyone! >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> This is Gary Kramlich current lead developer of Pidgin. I'm >>> reaching out to try and figure out what we can do to get Adium back on it's >>> feet. I have many ideas and would love to share them with you all. So who >>> wants to help? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Thanks, >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> -- >>> >> >>>> Gary Kramlich <g...@reaperworld.com> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > >>> >> > Matthew >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Matthew >>> >>>
