Colin, I didn't understand what the issue was; I thought that we had some problems with trac's configuration or hosting, not that we had completely lost the database!
Yes, you are right, restoring from online archives of just rendered web pages *would* be a big challenge. Moses On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:15 PM Colin Barrett <co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: > I think unfortunately the project we're facing now right now is going to > be how to recover trac from online archives, will be an annoying one. I'm > not sure what the best way to proceed with something like that is, having > not done it myself. In my imagination, a solution would look something like > wget downloads HTML, plugs into a python script to scrape the HTML, and it > gets written into some neutral file format; then you clean the data, fixup > problems; then the data would be imported into wherever we're going next. > > -Colin > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:06 PM Moses Lei <b...@moseslei.net> wrote: > >> Colin/Matthew: do we have enough development resources to continue on >> with the project, in your opinion? >> >> If we don't have people to maintain infrastructure, perhaps we should >> look at some more creative solutions? For example, how about exporting our >> trac data and importing it into Pidgin's trac as a component? That saves us >> from having to manage trac, and gives us direct linking to the >> pidgin/libpurple community's bugs and issues. >> >> On a similar note, could Adium rebrand and become Pidgin for MacOS? >> @Gary, I'm curious as to what you think of that. >> >> @erythronium23: I'm not saying Adium isn't useful for people, clearly it >> is. But we seem to have gotten to the point where the user base is >> dwindling, and the developer base clearly hasn't gone up in a while since >> we haven't been putting out releases. Additionally, we don't support >> voice/video, which is a basic feature of IM systems these days. So, where >> does that leave the project? >> >> Moses >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Colin Barrett <co...@springsandstruts.com> >> wrote: >> >>> 100% agreed there. We need our brain back! >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:48 PM Matthew <mathuaerkne...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > Just getting an update out in step with Libpurple, removing (adding) >>>> accounts on any abandoned networks, and porting some new prpls to Adium, >>>> would be an upgrade for the people out there still using Adium, which is >>>> non-zero. "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but necessary >>>> first step. >>>> >>>> Agreed! But I'm guessing that should happen after our current >>>> infrastructure is replaced with something that isn't currently broken >>>> and will be more maintainable. So unless the people ready to do the >>>> work are the ones asking whether it's worth the effort, I'd like to >>>> see our immediate discussion focused on the short term how than the >>>> long(er) term where and why. >>>> >>>> (Not directed at anyone in particular...) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 PM Carlos Morales <mora...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but necessary first >>>> step. >>>> > >>>> > Definitely! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Jan 18, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Colin Barrett < >>>> co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Lots of good ideas. It will be easier to start to get a critical mass >>>> around them once we've recovered our brain (trac). >>>> > >>>> > Here's my take: Multi-protocol chat is always going to be a >>>> compromise in terms of experience, but I think there's definitely room for >>>> our type of client. New protocols and networks keep proliferating, after >>>> all. So we take it slow. Just getting an update out in step with Libpurple, >>>> removing (adding) accounts on any abandoned networks, and porting some new >>>> prpls to Adium, would be an upgrade for the people out there still using >>>> Adium, which is non-zero. "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, >>>> but necessary first step. >>>> > >>>> > Thoughts? >>>> > -Colin >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:30 PM Carlos Morales <mora...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Maybe the best way forward is to focus on a protocol that: >>>> >> >>>> >> 1) still has an active and relatively large user base - even if is >>>> just a niche >>>> >> 2) still is fully supported by the underling Libpurple platform, >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Thoughts? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > On Jan 18, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Matthew <mathuaerkne...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My Adium use is limited to IRC and Skype for Business. Adium still >>>> >> > appears to be the best option for either of these. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Outside of Adium, my chats happen in SMS/MMS/RCS, Hangouts, Slack, >>>> >> > Discord, Signal, and Keybase. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 11:27 AM Moses Lei <b...@moseslei.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'm curious as to what services people are using Adium with these >>>> days? I'm not sure if this is a popular opinion, but perhaps we should just >>>> gracefully end Adium development, if our user/developer base has declined >>>> to that point. Like it or not, the days of interoperable protocols seem to >>>> be over, and there are almost no services out there that have an API for >>>> third party clients anymore. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> My initial reason to contribute to Adium was because of IRC. I'm >>>> a cloud architect / IT consultant and over the last few years, almost all >>>> my use cases for Adium disappeared. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Personal use cases: >>>> >> >> - Facebook XMPP - deprecated by provider >>>> >> >> - AIM - no friends use anymore >>>> >> >> - Google Talk XMPP - replaced with Hangouts mobile app >>>> >> >> - Yahoo - no friends use anymore >>>> >> >> - Twitter - replaced with mobile app >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Business/work use cases: >>>> >> >> - IRC - Replaced with Slack >>>> >> >> - SIPE/Lync - Replaced with Slack in one case, HipChat in >>>> another, firewalled off in a third (so now we have to use the Windows >>>> desktop app via RDS) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> So, I have not needed Adium for anything for 4-5 years now (it's >>>> not even installed on my last two machines) and thus have no impetus to >>>> work on it anymore. I'm curious to know if other people have had the same >>>> experience. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Current IM services that I use: >>>> >> >> - SMS >>>> >> >> - iMessage >>>> >> >> - Slack >>>> >> >> - WhatsApp >>>> >> >> - Skype >>>> >> >> - LINE >>>> >> >> - WeChat >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> As far as I know, there is no support in almost any of these for >>>> third-party clients, so the raison d'etre for an app like Adium is not >>>> fulfillable-- even if we manage to get it onto mobile where it might be >>>> more useful. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thoughts? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Moses >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 9:06 AM Colin Barrett < >>>> co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Hi Gary, >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I've been trying to get our trac instance back online, or at >>>> least recover the dat from it for export. I dropped the ball a bit here, >>>> however. In my defense, life has been getting in the way, not a lack of >>>> desire. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> If anyone thinks they can be particularly helpful with that, >>>> please get in touch with me here or on IRC. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Colin >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM Gary Kramlich < >>>> g...@reaperworld.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Hey everyone! >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> This is Gary Kramlich current lead developer of Pidgin. I'm >>>> reaching out to try and figure out what we can do to get Adium back on it's >>>> feet. I have many ideas and would love to share them with you all. So who >>>> wants to help? >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> -- >>>> >> >>>> Gary Kramlich <g...@reaperworld.com> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Matthew >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>>
