Unfortunately, I believe we cannot be in the App Store due to licensing issues. Correct me if I'm wrong.
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:16 PM erythronium23 <erythroniu...@gmail.com> wrote: > I work at a fairly large company (>2000 engineers on Macs) and very time I > introduce a Google Talk user to Adium, they adopt it. I think part of the > adoption/growth problem is simply visibility. I think that a clear value > proposition, and presence in the app store, would go a long way. I could be > wrong, but I think it's not expensive to test that hypothesis. > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 6:06 PM Moses Lei <b...@moseslei.net> wrote: > >> Colin/Matthew: do we have enough development resources to continue on >> with the project, in your opinion? >> >> If we don't have people to maintain infrastructure, perhaps we should >> look at some more creative solutions? For example, how about exporting our >> trac data and importing it into Pidgin's trac as a component? That saves us >> from having to manage trac, and gives us direct linking to the >> pidgin/libpurple community's bugs and issues. >> >> On a similar note, could Adium rebrand and become Pidgin for MacOS? >> @Gary, I'm curious as to what you think of that. >> >> @erythronium23: I'm not saying Adium isn't useful for people, clearly it >> is. But we seem to have gotten to the point where the user base is >> dwindling, and the developer base clearly hasn't gone up in a while since >> we haven't been putting out releases. Additionally, we don't support >> voice/video, which is a basic feature of IM systems these days. So, where >> does that leave the project? >> >> Moses >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Colin Barrett <co...@springsandstruts.com> >> wrote: >> >>> 100% agreed there. We need our brain back! >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:48 PM Matthew <mathuaerkne...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> > Just getting an update out in step with Libpurple, removing (adding) >>>> accounts on any abandoned networks, and porting some new prpls to Adium, >>>> would be an upgrade for the people out there still using Adium, which is >>>> non-zero. "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but necessary >>>> first step. >>>> >>>> Agreed! But I'm guessing that should happen after our current >>>> infrastructure is replaced with something that isn't currently broken >>>> and will be more maintainable. So unless the people ready to do the >>>> work are the ones asking whether it's worth the effort, I'd like to >>>> see our immediate discussion focused on the short term how than the >>>> long(er) term where and why. >>>> >>>> (Not directed at anyone in particular...) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 PM Carlos Morales <mora...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, but necessary first >>>> step. >>>> > >>>> > Definitely! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Jan 18, 2019, at 10:56 PM, Colin Barrett < >>>> co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Lots of good ideas. It will be easier to start to get a critical mass >>>> around them once we've recovered our brain (trac). >>>> > >>>> > Here's my take: Multi-protocol chat is always going to be a >>>> compromise in terms of experience, but I think there's definitely room for >>>> our type of client. New protocols and networks keep proliferating, after >>>> all. So we take it slow. Just getting an update out in step with Libpurple, >>>> removing (adding) accounts on any abandoned networks, and porting some new >>>> prpls to Adium, would be an upgrade for the people out there still using >>>> Adium, which is non-zero. "Adium is open for business in 2019" is a humble, >>>> but necessary first step. >>>> > >>>> > Thoughts? >>>> > -Colin >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:30 PM Carlos Morales <mora...@yahoo.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Maybe the best way forward is to focus on a protocol that: >>>> >> >>>> >> 1) still has an active and relatively large user base - even if is >>>> just a niche >>>> >> 2) still is fully supported by the underling Libpurple platform, >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Thoughts? >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > On Jan 18, 2019, at 9:03 PM, Matthew <mathuaerkne...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My Adium use is limited to IRC and Skype for Business. Adium still >>>> >> > appears to be the best option for either of these. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Outside of Adium, my chats happen in SMS/MMS/RCS, Hangouts, Slack, >>>> >> > Discord, Signal, and Keybase. >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 11:27 AM Moses Lei <b...@moseslei.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> I'm curious as to what services people are using Adium with these >>>> days? I'm not sure if this is a popular opinion, but perhaps we should just >>>> gracefully end Adium development, if our user/developer base has declined >>>> to that point. Like it or not, the days of interoperable protocols seem to >>>> be over, and there are almost no services out there that have an API for >>>> third party clients anymore. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> My initial reason to contribute to Adium was because of IRC. I'm >>>> a cloud architect / IT consultant and over the last few years, almost all >>>> my use cases for Adium disappeared. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Personal use cases: >>>> >> >> - Facebook XMPP - deprecated by provider >>>> >> >> - AIM - no friends use anymore >>>> >> >> - Google Talk XMPP - replaced with Hangouts mobile app >>>> >> >> - Yahoo - no friends use anymore >>>> >> >> - Twitter - replaced with mobile app >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Business/work use cases: >>>> >> >> - IRC - Replaced with Slack >>>> >> >> - SIPE/Lync - Replaced with Slack in one case, HipChat in >>>> another, firewalled off in a third (so now we have to use the Windows >>>> desktop app via RDS) >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> So, I have not needed Adium for anything for 4-5 years now (it's >>>> not even installed on my last two machines) and thus have no impetus to >>>> work on it anymore. I'm curious to know if other people have had the same >>>> experience. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Current IM services that I use: >>>> >> >> - SMS >>>> >> >> - iMessage >>>> >> >> - Slack >>>> >> >> - WhatsApp >>>> >> >> - Skype >>>> >> >> - LINE >>>> >> >> - WeChat >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> As far as I know, there is no support in almost any of these for >>>> third-party clients, so the raison d'etre for an app like Adium is not >>>> fulfillable-- even if we manage to get it onto mobile where it might be >>>> more useful. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Thoughts? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Moses >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 9:06 AM Colin Barrett < >>>> co...@springsandstruts.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Hi Gary, >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> I've been trying to get our trac instance back online, or at >>>> least recover the dat from it for export. I dropped the ball a bit here, >>>> however. In my defense, life has been getting in the way, not a lack of >>>> desire. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> If anyone thinks they can be particularly helpful with that, >>>> please get in touch with me here or on IRC. >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Colin >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:22 PM Gary Kramlich < >>>> g...@reaperworld.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Hey everyone! >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> This is Gary Kramlich current lead developer of Pidgin. I'm >>>> reaching out to try and figure out what we can do to get Adium back on it's >>>> feet. I have many ideas and would love to share them with you all. So who >>>> wants to help? >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> -- >>>> >> >>>> Gary Kramlich <g...@reaperworld.com> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Matthew >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>>
