On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 01:10 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 11:37 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 03:04:46PM +0200, Florent Le Coz wrote:
> >>> On 28/07/2010 14:52, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >>>> In my opinion including software that even upstream says is not ready is
> >>>> for a distribution that's "lost their way". We can still be a leading
> >>>> distribution and not include pre-release software. Especially
> >>>> pre-release
> >>>> software that's not only in our critical path, but also something that
> >>>> almost all of us use every day.
> >>> I agree, but doesn't that mean that Firefox 4.0 won't be available in
> >>> F14 at all and will only be in F15?
> >>> I think it would be a huge drawback for Fedora 14.
> >>
> >> It would be huge if there people who can't live without it didn't have
> >> any other way of getting it than having it pre-packaged. I think
> >> Firefox 4 looks to be fantastic, but the truth is that people only
> >> have to wait a few months for a release with it pre-packaged, if
> >> they're not able to add it on their own.
> >
> > I'd rather we provide them a package than have people going out and
> > installing software from third-party sources (yes, mozilla.org is hardly
> > Evil, but it sets a bad precedent). I really don't see much of a reason
> > we can't ship it as a post-release update. We'd probably want to do that
> > in the end anyway, because Mozilla tends to stop security supporting old
> > branches anyway; it's certainly plausible that they stop supporting 3.x
> > during F14's support lifetime.
>
> Just because it isn't in the F14 repo doesn't mean it won't be available to
> people who really want a packaged version earlier - look at spot's chromium
> packages, for example. And I really expect the F14-F15 time frame to be a
> very
> similar situation with Firefox - just because it's released doesn't mean there
> isn't some time to wait before it's really shippable. 6 months won't be the
> end of the world, especially if it's added to an add-on repo someplace so
> people can get it if they really want something other than ff3.
>
Perhaps it's time to figure out how to make things like Tom's chromium
more official. Find actual hosting/mirroring for that stuff, make a clear
path to get people to it but also letting them know "hey, your milage may
vary".
-Mike
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