On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 07/28/2010 02:25 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Peter Jones wrote:
> >
> >> On 07/28/2010 01:10 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 11:37 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 03:04:46PM +0200, Florent Le Coz wrote:
> >>>>> On 28/07/2010 14:52, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >>>>>> In my opinion including software that even upstream says is not ready
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> for a distribution that's "lost their way". We can still be a leading
> >>>>>> distribution and not include pre-release software. Especially
> >>>>>> pre-release
> >>>>>> software that's not only in our critical path, but also something that
> >>>>>> almost all of us use every day.
> >>>>> I agree, but doesn't that mean that Firefox 4.0 won't be available in
> >>>>> F14 at all and will only be in F15?
> >>>>> I think it would be a huge drawback for Fedora 14.
> >>>>
> >>>> It would be huge if there people who can't live without it didn't have
> >>>> any other way of getting it than having it pre-packaged. I think
> >>>> Firefox 4 looks to be fantastic, but the truth is that people only
> >>>> have to wait a few months for a release with it pre-packaged, if
> >>>> they're not able to add it on their own.
> >>>
> >>> I'd rather we provide them a package than have people going out and
> >>> installing software from third-party sources (yes, mozilla.org is hardly
> >>> Evil, but it sets a bad precedent). I really don't see much of a reason
> >>> we can't ship it as a post-release update. We'd probably want to do that
> >>> in the end anyway, because Mozilla tends to stop security supporting old
> >>> branches anyway; it's certainly plausible that they stop supporting 3.x
> >>> during F14's support lifetime.
> >>
> >> Just because it isn't in the F14 repo doesn't mean it won't be available to
> >> people who really want a packaged version earlier - look at spot's chromium
> >> packages, for example. And I really expect the F14-F15 time frame to be a
> >> very
> >> similar situation with Firefox - just because it's released doesn't mean
> >> there
> >> isn't some time to wait before it's really shippable. 6 months won't be
> >> the
> >> end of the world, especially if it's added to an add-on repo someplace so
> >> people can get it if they really want something other than ff3.
> >>
> >
> > Perhaps it's time to figure out how to make things like Tom's chromium
> > more official. Find actual hosting/mirroring for that stuff, make a clear
> > path to get people to it but also letting them know "hey, your milage may
> > vary".
>
> I would really like to see kopers happen, yes. That'd be great.
>
Maybe I'm mistaken, I thought kopers was just for building. Does it
encompass hosting, distribution and such?
-Mike
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