On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 09:23:24AM +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote: > On Tue, 2018-04-17 at 05:46 +0000, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On 2018-04-17, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > > > I'm a bit surprised that there's no reply to this fairly explosive > > > idea. Maybe Nikos' text is too long, so let me summarize: > > > > > > tl;dr: the proposal is to start services immediately during > > > installation (in %post), iff they are enabled in presets and the > > > system is live (not a chroot or such). > > > > > > > Maybe nobody knows how to determine a system is live. > > This determination is on systemd and if anyone should know that, it > should be a init, isn't it? > > From the comment #30 in bug #1545027, there is a reference to snapd > spec file, that is already doing this (using systemd). > > I would not say this is a problem today, we would not be able to tell > if we can or can not start a service. systemd is powerful and can > simplify these things for us. > > The problem is that it does not matter for most of the technical people > to run one more command "systemctl start foo" after "dnf install". But > it really does for non-technical ones. They usually have to reboot to > make things work (hello M$). This is also the reason why the snapd has > this post script -- it is much more (likely) to be used by non- > technical people than the smart cards daemon and less likely to be > installed out of the box.
Yep, usability and all that. One step less is always good. > If we want to make it simpler to use for *any* user, we should go this > way and allow starting enabled services after installation, either by > explicit post scriptlet or automatically inside of existing systemd > scriptlets. My idea was to actually make this opt-out: if a service is enabled in presets, make the default scriptlet start it too, and then provide a new scriptlet that would give *current* behaviour and to opt-out of autostarting. Starting immediately should be OK for those services which satisfy the criteria for being enabled by default, and making this automatic and uniform would simplify things for users. > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1545027#30 Zbyszek _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
