On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 11:35:10AM +0200, Tomas Orsava wrote: > On 05/02/2018 05:14 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 11:10:05AM -0400, Siteshwar Vashisht wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berra...@redhat.com> > > > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > > > Cc: "Kamil Dudka" <kdu...@redhat.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 4:49:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 10:35:28AM -0400, Siteshwar Vashisht wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Tomas Orsava" <tors...@redhat.com> > > > > > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > > > > > <devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>, "David Kaspar" > > > > > > <dkas...@redhat.com>, > > > > > > "Kamil Dudka" <kdu...@redhat.com>, "Miro Hrončok" > > > > > > <mhron...@redhat.com>, > > > > > > "Petr Viktorin" <pvikt...@redhat.com>, > > > > > > "Siteshwar Vashisht" <svash...@redhat.com> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 3:23:10 PM > > > > > > Subject: Prioritizing ~/.local/bin over /usr/bin on the PATH > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I'd like to propose putting the ~/.local/bin in front of the > > > > > > /usr/bin on > > > > > > the PATH. > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently /usr/bin has priority over ~/.local/bin, which causes a > > > > > > [bug] > > > > > > where the old system-installed executable written in Python (from > > > > > > /usr/bin) is launched, but it finds new Python sources (installed > > > > > > into > > > > > > $HOME) which it doesn't work with and crashes. > > > > > > > > > > > > [bug] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1571650 > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the current configuration breaks the intuitive expectation > > > > > > that things installed closer to the user should take priority. > > > > > > That's > > > > > > for example how it works with Python. > > > > > > Interestingly, ubuntu and opensuse do not have ~/.local/bin on their > > > > > > PATH (though Ubuntu has ~/bin) so we can't take guidance there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone see a reason not to prioritize ~/.local/bin over > > > > > > /usr/bin? > > > > > Most of the discussion in this thread focuses on security rather than > > > > > sane behavior. It is going to be a system wide change. An application > > > > > may get affected if it depends on system provided utilites which gets > > > > > overridden by ~/.local/bin. > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > So this change breaks something that is outside user's installation. > > > > > This should happen only if a user has explicitly overriden $PATH to > > > > > prioritize user installation paths. > > > > Not prioritizing user paths by default will break other things though. > > > > For example, python pip installations done with --user. > > > Things may break both ways, whether you choose to prioritize user > > > installation paths or not. I will prefer if they break when user > > > installation paths are not prioritized. > > Daniel answered—below—better than I could have. > I'd just like to add that while things *may* break if we implement > this—anything can break after all—the fact remains that things already *are* > broken the way it is now. > > And debian/ubuntu already prioritize ~/.local/bin, so we're not going into > untested waters either.
Alot of the docs you read about Linux are written from the POV of people using Debian/Ubuntu and their derivatives, much more so than docs from people using Fedora sadly. With our divergant behaviour, people will try to follows docs, and potentially find it doesn't work as expected on Fedora which gives a bad impression of our distro. > > > The point was that we need a consistent approach - we can't just consider > > $PATH in isolation, because it interacts with other search paths, either > > in env vars or builtin to apps. Either all should honour user location > > first, or all should honour system location first, a mix of both is the > > worst of all possible worlds as it maximises chances of breakage. > > > > Regards, > > Daniel > Regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :| _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
