On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 1:22 AM, Till Maas <opensou...@till.name> wrote:

>
> My proposal was for the instructions to recommend pressing a certain key
> but still accepting any key in grub, then there is no lie, since "Press
> space to enter grub" is still true when other keys allow the same.

I'm still not a fan because it's not accurate. But it isn't terrible
and isn't a hill I'm gonna die on.



>> >Also it would be awesome if it was still possible to easily
>> > reboot to grub after the kernel took over, e.g. from the harddisk
>> > password screen, GDM login screen and Gnome logout dialog. Then you can
>> > just make it user-friendly and obvious.
>>
>> password screen is a plymouth feature request; from what I'm looking
>> at gdm login and gnome logout dialog both have a restart option which
>> gets me back to GRUB so I'm not following what different behavior
>> you're proposing.
>
> My idea was to not have a short timeout when a user selects "Reboot to
> Bootloader" (to be implemented) as restart option, so that user do not
> have to fiddle with pressing the right key at the right time when they
> already know I want to get to the grub menu. Also when they missed the
> right time during boot, plymouth could recognise this, make sure the
> grub menu will be shown without a short timeout in the next boot and
> reboot.

Agreed but there are more options possible to help the user avoid the
mess that is keyboard shortcuts for firmware and bootloader:


Reboot to bootloader
Reboot to firmware setup
Reboot to macOS/Windows (upon detection one of those exists)




-- 
Chris Murphy
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