On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 12:40 AM Nicolas Mailhot
<nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote:
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> Le May 6, 2019 4:29:22 PM UTC, Chris Murphy <li...@colorremedies.com> a écrit 
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> >On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 1:52 AM Nicolas Mailhot
> ><nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Le dimanche 05 mai 2019 à 16:14 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit :
> >> >
> >> > Right and that's the same with beta testing, which is how bugs like
> >> > this can sometimes not even get found until after release. A lot of
> >> > tests are done on pristine systems that are throw away. It's
> >entirely
> >> > understandable few people want to test Fedora pre-release on their
> >> > rock solid 5+ year old Fedora system, but we actually stumbled on
> >> > this
> >> > in some sense by luck of alternate arch acting like a canary.
> >>
> >> That's not true, many boot problems are found quite early in the
> >> process by rawhide users, but rawhide users feedback is not taken
> >into
> >> account by installer folks because they don't look at boot problems
> >> before quite late in the cycle, when rawhide users have already moved
> >> on manually, and the default solution is always to reinstall from
> >> scratch.
> >>
> >> So problems are found, just not fixed
> >
> >This is out of scope because the context of the conversation is
> >upgrades. You're talking about the installer which means clean
> >installs.
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> I'm talking rescuing systems that do not boot anymore and that means the 
> install media. You can't rescue a system with broken boot from within this 
> system

I have no idea what you're talking about. The context of this thread
is a bug that happens during upgrades, and you do not need
rescue/install media to fix it. The Common Bugs lists the step you
need to successfully boot and fix the problem within this system.

-- 
Chris Murphy
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