Dne 06. 12. 22 v 17:09 Terry Barnaby napsal(a):
On 06/12/2022 15:56, Vít Ondruch wrote:Dne 06. 12. 22 v 16:44 Terry Barnaby napsal(a):On 06/12/2022 10:40, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:On Tuesday, 06 December 2022 at 07:43, Terry Barnaby wrote: [...]Well, that is still *some* work and someone would have to do it. Are youMy view is that compat versions of the commonly used shared libraries for programs that are used on Redhat7 should be kept available until most people are not producing programs for that system at least +nyears and then I guess Redhat8 once that really becomes a core base platform that external people use. A core list of these (there areonly a few) could be kept somewhere and when one is to be depreciated,or users see problems when Fedora is updated, a decision on this can be then made with that info. This would keep the Fedora system relevant for more users needs without too much work.volunteering?In the case of ncurses, it is really just putting back into the SPEC file that which was removed for F37 plus the extra storage on mirrors for the compat RPM's.If it's "just" that, why don't you do it yourself? Obviously, the current ncurses maintainer decided it was time to drop the old v5 ABI compat libs from the package. However, nothing is stopping you frompicking that up and maintaining an "ncurses5" package for as long as youneed it. Regards, DominikWell in this case I have created a suitable compat lib, all I did was re-introduce the bits to the SPEC file that removed the building of the compat lib and we are fine. I haven't separated it out from the main ncurses SPEC through and have only done this locally as I have no knowledge of the hoops to create a separate package and that seems like the wrong way to do this in general. I have made this available to others who will be in the same boat.But the purpose of my thread here is a more general Fedora policy question as it affects users of Fedora as to what applications the OS is likely to support. If the policy is to just support Fedora built binaries within the particular version of Fedora and to ignore external and commercial binaries built with say Redhat7 and provide no degree of compatibility so be it, but it would be useful for everyone to know where the land lies and be on the same page. The maintainer of the ncurses package wasn't sure of the policy on this.I wonder what is this claim based upon? Could you provide a link? And I wonder if there was such policy, would the maintainer changed their mind? I am asking because I don't think that any policy can be enforced unless there is somebody to pickup the work. So in this case, it should be enough to convince the maintainer to revert the changes, shouldn't be?VítSorry, what claim ?
My question was specifically about the last sentence of the quote, e.g. do you have any link to BZ ticket, ML or anywhere else where this was discussed? That would help to get complete picture.
I have no issue with the maintainer in this particular instance, as people have said if a maintainer doesn't want to support something that is fine. And obviously a Policy may not be enforced, but at least it would be a guideline. I understand the maintainer asked a question on when to depreciate on this list, but had no replies.
Ah, so there was ML thread you are referring to. Is it this one? https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/Z3U6CAM4YVI2Y62QNQIHHHLPD7QEXBBV/#Z3U6CAM4YVI2Y62QNQIHHHLPD7QEXBBV And this could also provide more context: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2150117
He took it that if the compat libs were not in use by any Fedora packages for the release in question it should/could be depreciated which is one approach.
It seems that Miroslav would consider the change if there was such guidelines.
So do you have any specific gudelines draft?I think this is always the same, if you really want Fedora to do something, then it might need to take some action. Sometimes is enough to open ticket or send email, other times it means to maintain package or draft specific proposal for guidelines. You can even join the Fedora governing bodies if you think it will help.
But I still think the best option for you and for the whole Fedora community would be if you picked up the compat-ncurses package maintenance.
Vít
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