On 03/03/2014 04:06 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Stephen Gallagher <sgall...@redhat.com> wrote:
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On 03/03/2014 08:51 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
On 03/03/2014 03:43 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
So if you were asking me "Are we removing btrfs from the install
options completely?", the answer is a resounding "NO". However,
if you're asking "Are we removing btrfs from the drop-down of
simple-install layouts?", my personal recommendation is "yes".
I disagree - why would we remove the drop down option?

That would make it exceedingly hard and rare for casual users to
install and test.  Basically, our Fedora btrfs user base would drop
to nothing.

Making it easy to test is a critical part of taking btrfs up to the
next level of stability!


It's a matter of user experience, here. By presenting something in the
guided drop-down, we are effectively asserting that they are of equal
utility and support. This is *not* the reality.

Now, if you want to talk about having some sort of click-through for
"I want to try out some experimental options without going all the way
to customizing my layout manually", that (to me) needs to be a
different, third path. But listing it directly alongside the default
gives a false expectation.

Now, this might be as simple as changing the modern drop-down from
  * EXT4
  * BTRFS
  * XFS
  [] Use LVM

To something like:
  * XFS-LVM (Recommended)
  * XFS
  * EXT4-LVM
  * EXT4
  * BTRFS (Experimental)

But even still, Fedora QA is at least ostensibly supposed to test all
guided paths and best-effort of custom paths. This is more paths than
are strictly necessary, especially considering that we don't expect
many people to actually USE the guided paths (in favor of custom
and/or kickstart).
Ok I was just confused as I haven't done a normal install in a few
releases.  So you can still get to btrfs going through some new
"custom layout" option but you want to remove the "install onto btrfs"
easy button in the normal guided option?  I'm ok with this, I just
want to make sure that I/users don't have to jump through
icantbelieveitsnotbtr hoops to install onto btrfs.  Thanks,

Josef

I am fine with something like what is proposed by Steve above - let users have the GUI present an option that gives preference to the default without totally hiding other options.

Thanks!

Ric

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