Dnia 2009-07-02, czw o godzinie 14:12 -0700, Kevin Fox pisze: --8<-- > I think Now & Next is just a different way of looking at the same EPG > data. The same way as viewing the available Music as a List, as a Grid, > in a Cover View wisbang 3d thingy, etc. The rest of Moovida uses that > UI, why not for the EPG too? Its nice and consistent that way with the > rest of Moovida. :)
Of course it is, but it provides a clean start to watching LiveTV. Instead of starting it and then switching channels or surfing them to see what's currently on, you get a concise list. What I hate in EPG are the disappearing titles that end in less than half an hour or so (I know you can set the zoom - btw. we could expose that possibility much better). I know that's the only way to do it, that's why I wanted to change the experience of seeing what's on. Well all current UIs are lists, not tables. Even when it's a grid - it's a flat list that is wrapped every two entries. For N&N we would neet a table of at least two columns - and for EPG we'd need a... well, not a table, a flat list of different width boxes. --8<-- > > Yeah the problem is in Music -> Library you're at most two clicks away > > (one in list view, one or two in grid view) from the top bar. When you > > have the full Programme Guide you'd have to go to the first available > > channel to go further up. Just imagine what David said - you have six > > buttons - up, down, left, right, ok, back. The first two are used to > > change channels, the next two are used to move in time. OK is used to > > select an entry and back is used to go out of the EPG. You're out of > > buttons... > > Ah, I can see the problem now. Because there are a lot of channels its > not exactly like that Music Grid view which you can just hit up a few > times to get to the grid/list switcher. > > But, there is one place you can do that, the left hand side of the EPG > shouldn't ever show anything before 'NOW()' so if you press left enough, > usually just once or twice, that could bring you up to the mode > switcher/play/stop button. Not great, but livable if trying to navigate > entirely on a 6 button remote. If you have a 7+ button remote (Windows > mce remotes do) then you can bind one of those for switching purposes. > Or you can use the mouse too. Depends how far in the future you'll go - although switching to N&N then wouldn't have much sense. I'm not sure, going far left to land in upper right corner... sounds like an easter egg. Some ergonomy expert would need to pop in here. > I think we're on the same page now. :) > > This is the kind of interface I'd love to see in a good Media app. > Moovida would be one of a kind. > > You have a bunch of services either local or remote, and Movida > aggregates them nicely and lets you not have to worry about where its at > and just lets you get into finding what you want to watch and watch it. Yeah I always thought Moovida should work like that. It even almost happened once back in Elisa when there was a cross-source search available. I loved the idea of aggregated 'new content' that would show all my latest additions to the music, video and photo library, new trailers from apple and maybe new photos on a friend's photostream on flickr. Shit, can anybody hand me a napkin? I'm drooling again... > > What do you think about my proposal to bother the user only when > > there's > > no other option? > > Its a good proposal, but its purely a backend specific thing, no? Well yeah for it to work properly - yes. But we could give the user the options of 'always interrupt livetv', 'ask and interrupt if no response', 'ask and continue livetv if no response', 'never interrupt livetv', suppressing the backend's question when needed. Damn, too many choices ;) > > PIP? Like I don't have enough to pay attention to ;) > > I sit at a computer all day messing with code and server logs. I'm use > to filtering out extraneous data wizzing by on the screen and lots of > context switches. :) Thats why I like the full epg instead of now & > next, since I have trained myself to ignore the irrelevant data. But I > do understand there are others who don't like to do things that way. Hmm by saying PIP do you mean the small video window that shows in the EPG or actual PIP with two video streams playing? And yeah, I rather have just enough data so I don't have to ignore any of it :) > > I still don't think there's a need to dedicate anything only we need > > to > > define the scheduler's preferred behavior. > > There's the latency problem regarding channel changing. But I'm > believing more and more these sorts of things should be left up to the > backend to decide. Let the user pick a backend that best fits his or her > preferences for how a PVR should work. If you want good channel changing > latency, use VDR as your pvr backend. If you want myth's good scheduler, > use myth. You mean latency when the user wants to change channels / start watching LiveTV and the backend needing to try and reschedule? As I mentioned - some crazy math is going to need to happen but I think it can be done. You don't need to reschedule from scratch, you only need to see if the recording (and any conflicting ones in the future) can be rescheduled. When you'd have all possible showings of a show cached, this should be done in a reasonably short time. --8<-- > > I don't think David does anything easy for the coding/UI part. I think > > he means easy for the user. As in blonde-mode. > > Its easier for the user to answer a menu question then to be left > wandering why the system did something automatically unexpectedly. > Having the system always do something automatically instead of what the > users choice is always consistent, but not easy for the user Yes, of course. Maybe we should ask one time and add a 'Remember my choice' checkbox? And inform that this behavior can be changed in the settings. The user would then gain the knowledge that there is something happening but not completely without his/hers involvement. > Its easier for the coder to just automatically decide for the user > instead of writing code to prompt the user. Really? Depends on how difficult the question is, I think that the question here is really difficult. Even for the user. > Then again, I've talked to a lot of users where "deciding" is hard, and > just letting the system do the "right thing" is easy for them. But, > getting them to all agree on what the "right thing" is hard. ;) Exactly. --8<-- > > Yeah, definitely. With the added possibility of merging it in the main > > menu, just as David mentioned you'll be able to put any of the plugins > > as a main menu entry. > > Ok. I think we're in agreement here too. Lets see what David thinks. David? You asleep? You haven't given any input in like 8 hours or so! ;) -- Michał Sawicz <[email protected]>
