Ernst Bunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's not what i meant. To understand my remarks you have to realize that
> though i am a commiter now i stil a 'user' of mmbase for the gratest part
> (allthough this is steadily changing). Therefore i know that one of the
> weaknesses of mmbase is that the best way to get to know the software is to
> study the apidocs and the sourcecode. 

Studying the apidocs of the bridge and bridge.util is the best way to get
to know them, and i think that is ok if you are wanting to use them (i.e.
_are_ programmer)

> I really beleve that mmbase should
> become more accassible which means that first there must be a real notion of
> what mmbase is. Constantly adding all kinds of nice bells and wistles dous
> not make this dream come any closer.

I do agree. Though I remain at my standpoint that my proposal was not a
'bell' or a 'wistle'; it is a very dry utility class which adds completely
nothing besides an implemetnation for an existing interface and is targeted
completely to peoply using the bridge to implement stuff in java for mmbase.

> Personnaly i am learning about all kinds of functionality currently in
> mmbase by accidently stumbling upon them. I think this is bad.

I do not necessary think that this is bad. Imagine that you need what I
proposed? I would not know where to look for it in the documetation besides
in the api-doc. Just what I do if I need a certain collection implemtnation.
Then I browse to apidocs of java.util.Collection and see what the available
implementations are. In that way I acquired a pretty good idea of what is
possible with java.util and what not, and I don't see how otherwise I could
have gotten it.


> But i think this is slightly political

Yes, I think it is. I don't mind that you use an anyway lost vote for it,
but I think it must be clear what you are actually saying.

> 
> > I for me, would like a nice library of 'bridge utils' where I 
> > could find
> > these kind of things.
> > 
> >  Michiel
> > 
> 
> If there would be a nl.meeuwissen.mmbase.bridge.util package available i
> would probably be an avid user of it :)

Hff. That would be folly, I'd much rather see a org.mmbase.bridge.util
collection of classes.


 Michiel



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