06.04.2018, 21:18, "Aleksey Kontsevich" <tantr...@ya.ru>: > Hi all, > > Only one argument. > >> I don't see any point in moving this to QtProject as we don't have Sailfish >> OS platform upstreamed. > > Just let's not miss the moment when it become upstreamed. :-) Things move > very fast recent days. Rostelecom and Russian universities make much effort > to promote and advance it. Since it is the only mobile OS certified by FSS, > and only approved by government - it will be the primary OS applications will > be developed for in government and corporate sectors where security is a > corner stone. It is sales hit in Russia currently among civilian users > (https://buyon.ru/1311520/inoi-r7/)
Really? Almost nobody is aware of its existence, even in IT circles, and the only device can be bought in one place. AFAIK it has no presence in mobile shops > and become upstreamed very fast with and like Russia become upstreamed > already and become much more developed in nearest future. > > Or You mean upstreamed in QtProject? :-) Let's make it upstream then! :-) > > Agree with the rest. > > -- > Best regards, > Aleksey > Linked in https://www.linkedin.com/in/alekseykontsevich > > 06.04.2018, 18:40, "Alexander Akulich" <akulichalexan...@gmail.com>: >> Hi all, >> >> I highly doubt that it can be done as a part of GSoC and I don't see >> any point in moving this to QtProject as we don't have Sailfish OS >> platform upstreamed. We just need this style to make QQC2 applications >> look native on Sailfish OS. I think that we'll have to rely on >> closed-yet components and the style is not going to look nice with >> mocks. >> >> That said, I see a number of issues and I hope that we'll discuss and >> agree on some changes to the QQC2 API: >> 1) I would like to propose ComboDelegate — a pair of ComboBox and >> Label, combined in a platform-specific way (similar to CheckDelegate >> and RadioDelegate). >> 2) We also need a delegate to display a label and an associated value. >> It is named "DetailItem" in Silica, but I would agree to go with a >> name like ValueDelegate. >> 3) Yet another point is that we need to properly style delegate >> descriptions, so I want to propose "description" property at least for >> Combo, Radio and Switch delegates (we even don't have a 'buddy' >> property here, though it still would be very hacky to go in this way). >> >> Probably it makes sense to start another thread to discuss Qt Quick >> Controls 2 API, but I need at least three weeks to think and >> experiment with what we have right now. :-) >> >> My work is available at >> https://git.merproject.org/Kaffeine/qtsilicastyle (compatible with Qt >> 5.9 and 5.10), but I don't think that it can be interesting for anyone >> in its current shape. >> >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Alexey Andreyev >> <yetanotherandre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Got it, thank you, Mitch! :) >>> >>> Yes, I have contacted Jolla devs, got answer: >>> >>>> Providing Sailfish support for Qt Quick Controls 2 would definitely be >>>> valuable. Sailfish OS cannot build app ecosystem alone, and improving the >>>> cross-platform story would help us getting Qt app contributions from >>>> other >>>> platforms, and help 3rd party developers target multiple platforms like >>>> Android and iOS with the same code base. >>> >>>> You are free to use what license you choose, but I would recommend >>>> something permissive like BSD3 or LGPL2, which we also use in Sailfish OS >>>> open source side >>> >>> Silica Componets source is not public, yes :( But I've got device where I >>> have all up-to-date qml files and I'm it as hint. >>> >>> I've also played to run armv7h binaries from device repos (rpm packages) >>> on >>> archlinuxarm (wrote PKGBUILDs) with all the deps and some hacky qt5 >>> linkage >>> address patching for .so lib, it staring and not crashing but asking for >>> more deps yet (like image resources deps, so work in progress) >>> >>> Alexander Akulich (Kaffeine) from Open Mobile Platform is helping me a lot >>> too, he recently created: >>> >>> https://git.merproject.org/Kaffeine/qtsilicastyle >>> >>> So I'm going to contribute there. >>> >>> For now current state is: >>> >>> 5.10 private API chaged compating to 5.9: >>> >>> https://github.com/qt/qtquickcontrols2/commit/b18b6375d170ce02dc5a627bfb69ca49046ee05c#diff-7467cf01ad998520d6d9d2995867e8e2 >>> >>> Alexander is testing with 5.9 LTS on SailfishOS >>> and me with archlinuxarm 5.10 >>> so I'm thinking now how to provide better compabilty for both :) >>> >>> looks like #ifdef approarch is not helping yet, should investigate more >>> time >>> >>> 2018-04-06 15:47 GMT+03:00 Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> We think this would be best in a repo outside of qtquickcontrols2.git. >>>> >>>> The process for creating a playground repo is documented here: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://wiki.qt.io/Creating_a_new_module_or_tool_for_Qt#Getting_started_with_new_ideas_on_Qt_Project.27s_Playground. >>>> >>>> Have you discussed this project with the Sailfish devs, by the way? >>>> Perhaps they would be interested in integrating your efforts upstream. >>>> >>>> One potential problem I see is that it seems that the source code is not >>>> public: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://together.jolla.com/question/6780/request-sourcecode-for-silica-core-components/ >>>> >>>> The closest thing is this repo, which doesn’t seem to be complete: >>>> >>>> https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5 >>>> >>>> How do you plan on implementing the style in light of this? >>>> >>>> Speaking for myself: I would be happy to answer any questions you may >>>> have >>>> with regards to implementing a Controls 2 style, but I don’t think I can >>>> put >>>> aside enough time to be a mentor for this. >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> From: Alexey Andreyev [mailto:yetanotherandre...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2018 2:14 PM >>>> To: Aleksey Kontsevich <tantr...@ya.ru> >>>> Cc: Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>; development@qt-project.org >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt >>>> Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style >>>> >>>> Hi, Aleksey Kontsevich! Thank you for your support, I do agree that >>>> Sailfish OS is receiving a huge contribution from Russian speaking >>>> developers and focusing on other local markets too. There's also related >>>> AsteroidOS community about smartwatches. They have a demo [1] >>>> >>>> Talking about popularity: from my point of view, while Microsoft is >>>> providing their Metro unified look for desktop and Intel-based tablets >>>> (and >>>> Xbox) for example, looks like they do not have any plans for new mobile >>>> devices (I mean arm-based) to provide. While Sailfish OS is mobile OS >>>> with >>>> GSM-stack support for real arm-based systems. [1] Correct me if I'm >>>> wrong, I >>>> do not want to mislead anyone. >>>> >>>> Mitch Curtis, thank you for your feedback sincerely. I do understand your >>>> skepticism about yet another controls in mainline to support. (but I do >>>> not >>>> share this personally :) >>>> >>>> I'm new to qqc2 internals. I've cloned qtquickcontrols2 repo 5.10.1 brach >>>> (to play on my Arch Linux system). Dependency from some private APIs >>>> looks >>>> tricky for me at first glance. I'm trying to sort out. I'm not against >>>> providing silica style as some custom repo, the result I want to get is >>>> open >>>> source solution to run Qt application in my personal environment with >>>> native >>>> Silica look and feel. Will be happy to get any hints about basic repo >>>> draft >>>> in that case (should I look at Kirigami approach?) >>>> >>>> Anyway, as I wrote at my GSoC proposal, GSoC campaign is just money >>>> support, I love Silica style, using Sailfish OS for several years and >>>> can't >>>> stand that no one is willing to port it to modern QQC2 approach :) I >>>> guess >>>> it could radically change skepticism about qt quick controls approach in >>>> general from ios and android developers. >>>> >>>> [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd86KTs2Les >>>> >>>> [2]: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris >>>> >>>> 2018-04-03 13:38 GMT+03:00 Aleksey Kontsevich <tantr...@ya.ru>: >>>> >>>> Hi all, my 2 cents here: >>>> >>>> >The controls look nice, but my concern is how relevant the Silica style >>>> > is these days (in the context of how many people are developing apps >>>> for the >>>> >Sailfish OS). >>>> >>>> Sailfish OS become VERY popular in Russia and in Latin America, and for >>>> people who wants their data and communication be secure. Market in Russia >>>> growing very fast, Sailfish OS devices are hits of sales, leading >>>> universities created courses for Sailfish OS, government certified >>>> it for corporate and government use and since 2019 all mobile >>>> applications >>>> from national software list (government and corporate use) should work in >>>> Sailfish OS (according to import replacing law all applications should be >>>> Russian-native and secure). >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Aleksey >>>> Linked in https://www.linkedin.com/in/alekseykontsevich >>>> >>>> 03.04.2018, 13:13, "Mitch Curtis" <mitch.cur...@qt.io>: >>>> >>>> > Hi Alexey. >>>> > >>>> > The controls look nice, but my concern is how relevant the Silica style >>>> > is these days (in the context of how many people are developing apps >>>> for the >>>> > Sailfish OS). >>>> > >>>> > For each style we currently have, I would justify their inclusion into >>>> > qtquickcontrols2.git for the following reasons: >>>> > >>>> > Default - extremely high performance at the cost of a very basic >>>> > appearance. Tries to be neutral in terms of looks. >>>> > >>>> > Fusion - bridges the gap in terms of Desktop styling. An >>>> additional/more >>>> > specific point that I think it is important here is that the controls >>>> are >>>> > more compact (smaller) than any other pre-built style we offer (the >>>> Material >>>> > style has a dense variant now, but that’s still larger if I recall >>>> > correctly). >>>> > >>>> > Imagine - puts power in the hands of designers, frees up time for >>>> > developers. >>>> > >>>> > Material - very relevant in terms of Android market share. Looks really >>>> > nice; a good candidate for “non-native” cross-platform apps. >>>> > >>>> > Universal - relevant in terms of Windows market share. >>>> > >>>> > As mentioned, I do think the Silica controls look nice, but that’s the >>>> > only justification I could think of for including them in >>>> > qtquickcontrols2.git. For each new style we add, the maintenance cost >>>> > increases, so this is something that we need to consider. >>>> > >>>> > What is your opinion on this? >>>> > >>>> > Cheers. >>>> > >>>> > From: Alexey Andreyev [mailto:yetanotherandre...@gmail.com] >>>> > Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 8:49 PM >>>> > To: Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io> >>>> > Cc: development@qt-project.org >>>> > Subject: Re: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt >>>> > Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style >>>> > >>>> > Thank you Mitch for the feedback! >>>> > I've also tried to record current controls on a real device: >>>> > https://youtu.be/T-qUZMuTGqw (hope not only 360p will be available >>>> soon) >>>> > >>>> > 2018-03-23 21:55 GMT+03:00 Alexey Andreyev >>>> > <yetanotherandre...@gmail.com>: >>>> >> Silica cheat sheet: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/component_cheatsheet.png >>>> >> Theme cheat sheet: >>>> >> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/theme_cheatsheet.png >>>> >> Icon reference: >>>> >> https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/icon_reference.png >>>> >> code example: >>>> >> https://gist.github.com/jaymzznoori/a980314f8248e0a1e7904c29c88ecdf3 >>>> >> >>>> >> Youtube video with timestamp for platform-specific PulleyMenu element >>>> >> example: https://youtu.be/jByW7UNmbxU?t=11m38s >>>> >> >>>> >> 2018-03-23 21:40 GMT+03:00 Mitch Curtis <mitch.cur...@qt.io>: >>>> >>> Hello. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Are there any screenshots of it? I read that entire page and the >>>> >>> Silica docs but couldn’t see anything. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cheers. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> From: Development >>>> >>> [mailto:development-bounces+mitch.curtis=qt...@qt-project.org] On >>>> Behalf Of >>>> >>> Alexey Andreyev >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, 23 March 2018 5:39 PM >>>> >>> To: development@qt-project.org >>>> >>> Subject: [Development] [Google Summer of Code] [Project Ideas] Qt >>>> >>> Quick Controls 2 Sailfish Silica Style >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Hello! >>>> >>> My name is Alexey, what do you think about Silica Style for QQC2 as a >>>> >>> gsoc project? >>>> >>> I have some notes here: http://aa13q.ru/qqc2-silica-style-en/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> and want to create a proposal. >>>> > >>>> >>>> > , >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Development mailing list >>>> > Development@qt-project.org >>>> > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Development mailing list >>> Development@qt-project.org >>> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Development mailing list >> Development@qt-project.org >> http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development > > _______________________________________________ > Development mailing list > Development@qt-project.org > http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development -- Regards, Konstantin _______________________________________________ Development mailing list Development@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/development
