Upon what expert legal argument do you determine that an on-demand 
download does not constitute "as part of"?  Have you been taking classes 
in US law on the side?

You don't have a clue what you are talking about, I will consult someone 
that does.  In the mean time - any work that anyone undertakes based on 
your flakey reasoning will likely be time wasted.

Ian.


On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 05:54:08PM +0100, Toad wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:52:23AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 12:27:23PM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote:
> > > This seems like the only approach is, as Toad suggested, to have two
> > > installers, one which just downloads Freenet, one which downloads Freenet
> > > and the JRE.  It's the second point that is critical - we're not allowed
> > > to host an installer that JUST installs JRE, which is exactly what
> > > jre-win32-latest.exe is, and this is how we're in violation of the
> > > licence.
> > 
> > I simply don't understand this argument, and it flies in the face of 
> > common sense that Sun would have any objection to what we are currently 
> > doing.
> 
> License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of
> this Agreement, including, but not limited to the Java Technology
> Restrictions of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a
> non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license without fees to
> reproduce and distribute the Software, provided that (i) you distribute
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> > 
> > Please refrain from taking any action based on amature lawyering, if we 
> > really think there is a problem I will consult Sun directly and find out 
> > what the situation is.
> > 
> > Ian.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Ian Clarke                                              [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Coordinator, The Freenet Project          http://freenetproject.org/
> > Founder, Locutus                                    http://locut.us/
> > Personal Homepage                               http://locut.us/ian/
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> 
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> Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.



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Ian Clarke                                                  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Founder, Locutus                                        http://locut.us/
Personal Homepage                                   http://locut.us/ian/

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