On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:04:14AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > Upon what expert legal argument do you determine that an on-demand > download does not constitute "as part of"? Have you been taking classes > in US law on the side? > > You don't have a clue what you are talking about, I will consult someone > that does. In the mean time - any work that anyone undertakes based on > your flakey reasoning will likely be time wasted. > > Ian.
The Debian project is not able to distribute a package of the Sun JVM, for legal reasons. I think it's fair to say that they have access to competent legal counsel. > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 05:54:08PM +0100, Toad wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:52:23AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 12:27:23PM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote: > > > > This seems like the only approach is, as Toad suggested, to have two > > > > installers, one which just downloads Freenet, one which downloads Freenet > > > > and the JRE. It's the second point that is critical - we're not allowed > > > > to host an installer that JUST installs JRE, which is exactly what > > > > jre-win32-latest.exe is, and this is how we're in violation of the > > > > licence. > > > > > > I simply don't understand this argument, and it flies in the face of > > > common sense that Sun would have any objection to what we are currently > > > doing. > > > > License to Distribute Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of > > this Agreement, including, but not limited to the Java Technology > > Restrictions of these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a > > non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license without fees to > > reproduce and distribute the Software, provided that (i) you distribute > > the Software complete and unmodified (unless otherwise specified in the > > applicable README file) and only bundled as part of, and for the sole > > purpose of running, your Programs, (ii) the Programs add significant and > > primary functionality to the Software, (iii) you do not distribute > > additional software intended to replace any component(s) of the Software > > (unless otherwise specified in the applicable README file), (iv) you do > > not remove or alter any proprietary legends or notices contained in the > > Software, (v) you only distribute the Software subject to a license > > agreement that protects Sun's interests consistent with the terms > > contained in this Agreement, and (vi) you agree to defend and indemnify > > Sun and its licensors from and against any damages, costs, liabilities, > > settlement amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys' fees) incurred > > in connection with any claim, lawsuit or action by any third party that > > arises or results from the use or distribution of any and all Programs > > and/or Software. > > > > > > > > Please refrain from taking any action based on amature lawyering, if we > > > really think there is a problem I will consult Sun directly and find out > > > what the situation is. > > > > > > Ian. > > > > > > -- > > > Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Coordinator, The Freenet Project http://freenetproject.org/ > > > Founder, Locutus http://locut.us/ > > > Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > -- > Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Coordinator, The Freenet Project http://freenetproject.org/ > Founder, Locutus http://locut.us/ > Personal Homepage http://locut.us/ian/ -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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